You might want to check out Westerman's stats. He isn't even in the top 20 for errors or penalties - 5 errors and 7 penalties in 20 appearances this season.

Number 20 for tackles made at an average of 32 per game.

If you really think that Washbrook is anywhere near him then there's no hope for you.

Anyone who cant see what Westerman brings must watch with their eyes closed. Most consistent performer for 2 seasons imo. As for Abdull, he has everything to be a top class 6, we shouldn't be pigeon holing him as a 13 just because hes a big lad. We struggle to produce half backs in this country as it is.

If Washbrook would of played for Hull instead of Westerman this season, It would of made very little difference to any results. Westermans overrated in my opinion. No hope for me ha, you are such a bell, cant you make your point without been such a dik. I bet you've got one of them faces people just want to slap for no apparent reason

I said early doors I wanted Abdull as a 6 and was shouted down by so many saying that he's an out and out 13, clearly the lad is class but right now, he isn't a 13 for the game we play and defensively not even close.

Westerman brings a lot to the table and it's easy for some to see the mistakes of someone that you hold up high as one of your better players whom isn't quite a fan favourite because he doesn't do anything flambouyant or fancy.

Westerman is a beast in the tackle and does a heck of a lot of minutes for a big guy, given he's being asked to do a lot of tackling AND in parts to bust the line/offload too he does a heck of a job covering the ground he does and as the stats show not making an awful lot of errors/giving penalties away either.

I'd love to see JA make the 6 berth his own with the possibility to move to 13 later in his career but right now Westerman is our 13 and I think JA would be wasted there.

But when that opinion is in conflict with facts, you should expect it to be challenged Tinker.

Don't have a problem with that at all, its his last comment that annoys me. Just no need, but typical of kosh, because he says or thinks something, it must be right. noticed he didn't mention Westermans tackle busts, clean breaks, try assists and trys, for me the most important for a 13

But you didn't mention clean breaks, try's, try assists in your first post. He's made plenty of tackle busts though.

I suppose it comes down to what you believe a 13 should be vs what the 13 is being asked to do in the team. As our halves are for the most part split, with Sneyd on the left, Abdull/Pryce on the right, Westy acts a lot as first receiver in the oppositions half in order to get the ball shipped out to the halfbacks (who are expected to create/score trys). Being a 'ballhandler' doesn't always mean creating try's but also having the ability to slot into the line and ship the ball accurate and quickly to where it's needed.

I Didn't mention stats either. Anyways he can pass a ball out to our half backs, brilliant. 4/5 seasons of Westerman and still don't see the big deal. And if I was picking the team on form and not age or potential, and it was between Westerman and Abdul for the 13, Id go with Abdul. Especially next season with such a strong pack, I think it could easily accommodate a loose forward with abduls abilities, would give us more in attack

I'm beginning to see why Kosh replied in the manner he did.

What because I don't agree with you either, don't see the problem myself, you rate Westerman, I don't.