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We do and we really need these younger lads to step up next season. They're first teamers now and need to start making game changing responsibility on a regular basis, not just be "potentially" good.
We really really need some pace weight and power in the props. Hill is excellent but isn't fast and doesn't really break tackles or offload much. Sims is too small although good. Asotasi plays 15minutes. England is poor.
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jj86 wrote:Interesting to hear Smith saying you couldn't see what our game plan was. This suggests we had one. Maybe he needs to realise that is his job to make one.
I think you will find, as first team coach, this job falls in the Lap of Richard Agar...... Surprising really when you look at his past successes.....
"If it requires effort"....... Then dont bother!!!!
the fucitolbladderwrack wrote:I think you will find, as first team coach, this job falls in the Lap of Richard Agar...... Surprising really when you look at his past successes.....
Need both of them gone. That team - despite its weaknesses - should have strolled into the top 4.
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jj86 wrote:Need both of them gone. That team - despite its weaknesses - should have strolled into the top 4.
Sad to say, but i agree,,, Who gave the ok to sign Wheeler, make "av a toastie" one of our highest paid players, continue with the liability that is Atkins, not sign a quality prop for next season, fail to see the dramatic dip`s in form of Mona`s, Harrison and continue with the project that is England?? There are currently some awfully poor errors of judgement taking place at Warrington.... This needs to be nipped in the bud NOW!
"If it requires effort"....... Then dont bother!!!!
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jj86 wrote:Need both of them gone. That team - despite its weaknesses - should have strolled into the top 4.
Really? I don't see that at all. I think we're comfortably below top 4 quality.
We've got some excellent individuals but they are few and far between and for each one of those we have extremely poor players/performers, we've had no kicking game all season, we've had no leading half all season, we've got a distinct lack of pace and line-breaking power in the pack, our pack doesn't play the ball quick enough as they are quite weak and undersized bar Chris Hill or just plain slow so we lose the ruck battle a lot, and we have a lot of very young players who aren't capable of taking game changing responsibly on a regular basis yet, some of which are actually out of their depth at this level as the jump from 19s to first team has been too big for them.
That's not a team who should comfortably walk into the top four. We're no better than Hull and I actually think Catalans are better than us, never mind the five teams above us. Despite us having some excellent individuals our whole product is average.
And add to all that we don't play in a way to get the best of the team and have absolutely no structure to our attack and have very little line speed in defence. I also think we look out of shape as a team.
BuckleyStreetWire wrote:Really? I don't see that at all. I
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We've got some excellent individuals but they are few and far between and for each one of those we have extremely poor players/performers, we've had no kicking game all season, we've had no leading half all season, we've got a distinct lack of pace and line-breaking power in the pack, our pack doesn't play the ball quick enough as they are quite weak and undersized bar Chris Hill or just plain slow so we lose the ruck battle a lot, and we have a lot of very young players who aren't capable of taking game changing responsibly on a regular basis yet, some of which are actually out of their depth at this level as the jump from 19s to first team has been too big for them.
That's not a team who should comfortably walk into the top four. We're no better than Hull and I actually think Catalans are better than us, never mind the five teams above us. Despite us having some excellent individuals our whole product is average.
And add to all that we don't play in a way to get the best of the team and have absolutely no structure to our attack and have very little line speed in defence. I also think we look out of shape as a team.
BuckleyStreetWire wrote:Really? I don't see that at all. I think we're comfortably below top 4 quality.
We've got some excellent individuals but they are few and far between and for each one of those we have extremely poor players/performers, we've had no kicking game all season, we've had no leading half all season, we've got a distinct lack of pace and line-breaking power in the pack, our pack doesn't play the ball quick enough as they are quite weak and undersized bar Chris Hill or just plain slow so we lose the ruck battle a lot, and we have a lot of very young players who aren't capable of taking game changing responsibly on a regular basis yet, some of which are actually out of their depth at this level as the jump from 19s to first team has been too big for them.
That's not a team who should comfortably walk into the top four. We're no better than Hull and I actually think Catalans are better than us, never mind the five teams above us. Despite us having some excellent individuals our whole product is average.
And add to all that we don't play in a way to get the best of the team and have absolutely no structure to our attack and have very little line speed in defence. I also think we look out of shape as a team.
On that basis we have overachieved this season by finishing above hull in the regular season? Not many players out of Huddersfield and cas sides that I would have ahead of our current lot.
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