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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 12:31 pm 
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*1865* wrote:Rankin's average and gets away on the odd bit of decent play and enthusiasm. We've not got a decent FB at the club.


Respect your opinion but it's turd.

Shaul has a massive future in the game.






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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 12:55 pm 
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Diogenes wrote:Maybe we should have kept McDonnell then instead of sacking him off in favour of Shaul?

After all, he seems to be good enough for Saints.

McDonnell's been a stop gap for Saints, if you think he's good enough for them long term then that's up to you. I don't think he is. Pretty sure they don't think he is either.

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Kosh wrote:Then you'll no doubt be disappointed to hear that according to Pearson last night Shaul is 'huge for this club' and has a 'big, big future'.

He'd be my preference, but he's not top class. You're kidding yourself if you think he is or could be. He'll never be as good as Hardaker or Tomkins, they're top class.
Tbf, there's not many in the league that are, but I'd rather have Bowen, Hardaker, Tomkins, Dorn, Lomax, Grix and Escare over Shaul.

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*1865* wrote:He'd be my preference, but he's not top class. You're kidding yourself if you think he is or could be. He'll never be as good as Hardaker or Tomkins, they're top class.
Tbf, there's not many in the league that are, but I'd rather have Bowen, Hardaker, Tomkins, Dorn, Lomax, Grix and Escare over Shaul.



I'd have Shaul before Bowen, Grix, and Escare, plus Lomax is never fit.

I think he is a better around FB than all of these, needs to work on his passing for sure, but should be playing before Rankin, who should play 6, Abdul at LF and Westy in the backrow.

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Dave K. wrote:I'd have Shaul before Bowen, Grix, and Escare, plus Lomax is never fit.

I think he is a better around FB than all of these, needs to work on his passing for sure, but should be playing before Rankin, who should play 6, Abdul at LF and Westy in the backrow.

I'm not sure I can take this post seriously.

I could maybe debate the Grix one, but better than Escare & Bowen? :lol:

Rankin ain't a 6, he's proven that many a time, Abdull's nowhere near ready enough to play in the middle and i'm not sure taking Westy away from his best position will help anything.

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*1865* wrote:I'm not sure I can take this post seriously.

I could maybe debate the Grix one, but better than Escare & Bowen? :lol:

Rankin ain't a 6, he's proven that many a time, Abdull's nowhere near ready enough to play in the middle and i'm not sure taking Westy away from his best position will help anything.


Bowen error prone and is slow, his positioning is also questionable as pointed out on sky last night.

Escare is a runner who cannot tackle one on one.

Rankin has never played with Sneyd or any other or organising half, he has always played with another runner. Abdul is too slow to play at halfback, needs to be at LF. I personally prefer Westernsn out wide. Luckily I didn't take your post seriously when you stated Hadley was going to be a superstar!

What would your team be for the next game then.

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*1865* wrote:I'm not sure I can take this post seriously.

I could maybe debate the Grix one, but better than Escare & Bowen? :lol:

Rankin ain't a 6, he's proven that many a time, Abdull's nowhere near ready enough to play in the middle and i'm not sure taking Westy away from his best position will help anything.


You are uncharacteristically downbeat today 1865. What's up?






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Dave K. wrote:Bowen error prone and is slow, his positioning is also questionable as pointed out on sky last night.


Yet he was still in a different league to our FB,

Dave K. wrote:Escare is a runner who cannot tackle one on one.


Neither can Shaul, but Escare can pass, is quicker and is better in support. Far better than Shaul.

Dave K. wrote:Rankin has never played with Sneyd or any other or organising half, he has always played with another runner.


He's not going to suddenly become better at passing, decision making and kicking because he's playing outside Sneyd.

Dave K. wrote:Abdul is too slow to play at halfback, needs to be at LF.


He's not fit enough to play LF, better for now wider where a decent centre & second row can help out. Can't afford to carry passengers in the pack.

Dave K. wrote:I personally prefer Westerman out wide.


That may be the case, but he's undoubtedly enjoyed his best form at 13, he was called up to rep duty because of it.

Dave K. wrote:Luckily I didn't take your post seriously when you stated Hadley was going to be a superstar!


He's been injured for 85% of the season, but you feel free to bag off one of our young players to try and have a dig.

Dave K. wrote:What would your team be for the next game then.


As it was last night.

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Diogenes wrote:You are uncharacteristically downbeat today 1865. What's up?

We had nearly 50 put on us last night, for a start!

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 Post subject: Re: Naughton and shaul
PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 3:06 pm 
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Can't help but agree with the points 1865 makes about Shaul but we don't have a specialist for him to learn from, McDonnell would have being ideal and yes SM is the better all round FB by far. As I pointed out last season Shaul had a habit of pulling out or not bothering with tackling on the line, that's a mindset issue not one about bravery, his passing can be improved as can positioning but that needs a coaching team to be able to identify it it and a coach to actually implement modifications & improvements, again, that's not something we currently possess as a club.
All that said, Shaul isn't the worst by any stretch, probably could be a top 6 FB with work/experience, he's still young but we do need to get him under the wing of someone that knows what's what, that could be applied to quite a few in the squad though tbh.

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