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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:40 pm 
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Good grief! The faithist is here with his "Osama Did It All From His Cave" flag.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Mugwump wrote:Good grief! The faithist is here with his "Osama Did It All From His Cave" flag.

Can't resist poking the conspiracy nutjob sponge with his "the CIA/Dick Cheney/NWO are behind everything!" mantra. And still laughing at your wonderful Russian missile theory. :lol:

Guaranteed a giggle every time. :-)

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I feel like Louis Theroux at the Westboro Baptist Church.

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"Europe's manhandling of Greece is a strategic gift to Russia's Vladimir Putin."

Seems like even the Torygraph recognises Greece's strategic significance.

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"Europe's manhandling of Greece is a strategic gift to Russia's Vladimir Putin."

Seems like even the Torygraph recognises Greece's strategic significance.

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Diavolo Rosso wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zvl9N9GdraQ

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Bollox. You've just woke the missus!

Apologise! :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Wot no Greek referendum thread?
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Greece has been allowed to collapse because it's expendable. It makes up about 2% of European GDP but, as a developed nation, it's downfall will scare the other EU countries, particularly the economically unstable ones enough for the 'EU' to push forward with it's closer union, and continue to erode (centralise) power away from independent Governments.

In other words, the apparent stupidity of the Greeks, and EU governments is frankly, just too stupid to be a mistake. Any, economist or politician with half a brain would take one look at the Eurozone proposal from 1992 and see it was doomed from the out set.

Where I disagree with Mugwump, is his assumption that industry hates government. I actually think 'Big Government' and 'Big business' go hand in hand. Corporate oligarchs love big government, because they have the power to pass legislation, and have the army's to enforce them. I'd also argue, that FDR was as much of a puppet as any other leader.

Globalisation has slowly been expanding on the back of currency meddling, and insidious 'trade agreements', and it's these 'trade agreements' (e.g. TTP, NAFTA) that are the real driving force behind 'closer union'. Lest we forget the EU was originally founded on a series of 'trade agreements' giving member states control over German trade and industry.

Now, whether you believe in a global 'conspiracy' is your prerogative however, it's a fact that a select group of individuals, with links to the same families founded and finance major global entity's that have influence every facet of our lives.
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The W.H.O, UN, W.T.O, the banks, and Time Warner (the worlds biggest media conglomerate), and the founding of the state of Isreal.






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Charlie Sheen wrote:Greece has been allowed to collapse because it's expendable. It makes up about 2% of European GDP but, as a developed nation, it's downfall will scare the other EU countries, particularly the economically unstable ones enough for the 'EU' to push forward with it's closer union, and continue to erode (centralise) power away from independent Governments.


No nation as strategically important as Greece is "expendable".

Quote:In other words, the apparent stupidity of the Greeks, and EU governments is frankly, just too stupid to be a mistake. Any, economist or politician with half a brain would take one look at the Eurozone proposal from 1992 and see it was doomed from the out set.


Any economist or politician with half a brain would take one look at the entire global debt-based ponzi scheme and declare it "doomed", too. Yet very few do. Part of the reason for this is, generally speaking, they aspire to the same values as that tiny fraction of society who are making out like bandits.

"Stupidity Theory" or "Incompetence Theory" is invariably the media's fall-back position when analyzing current affairs. Those with their hand on the tiller "Just don't know what they are DOING". Nevermind the fact that two reports further on they are saying stuff like, "Income gap between rich and poor rises for the fifteenth year in succession". Sheer happenstance. ;)

Quote:Where I disagree with Mugwump, is his assumption that industry hates government. I actually think 'Big Government' and 'Big business' go hand in hand. Corporate oligarchs love big government, because they have the power to pass legislation, and have the army's to enforce them. I'd also argue, that FDR was as much of a puppet as any other leader.


I thought I made this perfectly clear. Big business hates state governments because they are the only powers capable of giving it a bloody nose. You are correct in saying both sides are currently as thick as thieves (literally and figuratively). But this current alignment of political and business interests isn't cast in stone. Politicians are, by nature, fickle, disloyal and opportunistic. In times of political apathy among the electorate it makes no sense to play the role of populist. The "pickings" are just too rich kowtowing to the rich. But it would only take a serious economic downturn, major unemployment, hyper-inflation etc. and the masses would suddenly (and predictably) become restless. A good politician knows which way the winds are blowing and jumps ship to gain the maximum possible advantage (good examples are FDR or one of the finest of the lot - Julius Caesar). It is this INEVITABLE possibility which the owners of society are attempting to head off.

Quote:Now, whether you believe in a global 'conspiracy' is your prerogative however, it's a fact that a select group of individuals, with links to the same families founded and finance major global entity's that have influence every facet of our lives.


Anyone who uses the label "conspiracy theory" in this context really is desperate to jimmy the term into discussion and it's probably best to write them off completely. There's nothing mysterious or secret about what's currently taking place in, say, Greece.

Read any of the works expressly on the subject of geopolitics written by either of those well-known conspiracy loons - Zbigniew Brzezinski and Henry Kissinger. When I'm talking about the "encirclement" of Russia I'm not pulling that word out of thin air, you know. ;)

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Our government loves big business. The Budget yesterday was one for big business at the expense of small business.

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Dally wrote:Our government loves big business. The Budget yesterday was one for big business at the expense of small business.


As probably 95% of most governments do.

It's the populists which terrify them. Guys like FDR who not only hit business hard but are so popular it takes two or three generations to undo the legislature. Seriously, I shouldn't have to explain this. Didn't you study Roman history at school? The Gracchi land reforms? Marius? Sulla?

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