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Legends and Icons wrote:History tells you it Doesn't matter who's out injured , who's in form or who should win on paper ... The team that makes the least errors and plays the smartest rugby will win this , hopefully this will be us !!! Coyh
Looking just at Rovers pre-Derby form over the last few seasons, which only tells half the story of course, we have better form in the run-up to derbies we win than those we lose.
Tbh, it's surprisingly rare for us to go into the game on the back of either two wins or two losses, but even so...
Excluding round 1 in 2011, Rovers are 17w-1d-18L in SL in the three games prior derbies we won, since 2008. Before derbies lost it is 9-2-16. I doubt it is statistically significant, but it'd be interesting (to me ) to see if something similar is reflected in Hull's pre-Derby form.
Been reading moneyball, innit?
Of course, it isn't strongly predictive of what will happen over 80 minutes, but I think dismissing form before these games could be one of those received wisdom things that doesn't necessarily stand up to scrutiny.
'Thus I am tormented by my curiosity and humbled by my ignorance.' from History of an Old Bramin, The New York Mirror (A Weekly Journal Devoted to Literature and the Fine Arts), February 16th 1833.
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Mrs Barista wrote:Correct. Mind you with 30+ leaving before the end of their contracts in recent years, it's hard to keep up. I forgot that Burke is back too. Crikey.
I don't know whether its been asked before, but have Rovers ever had anyone long enough to earn a testimonial.
Joined: Jun 01 2007 Posts: 12672 Location: Leicestershire.
Mild Rover wrote:Looking just at Rovers pre-Derby form over the last few seasons, which only tells half the story of course, we have better form in the run-up to derbies we win than those we lose.
Tbh, it's surprisingly rare for us to go into the game on the back of either two wins or two losses, but even so...
Excluding round 1 in 2011, Rovers are 17w-1d-18L in SL in the three games prior derbies we won, since 2008. Before derbies lost it is 9-2-16. I doubt it is statistically significant, but it'd be interesting (to me ) to see if something similar is reflected in Hull's pre-Derby form.
Been reading moneyball, innit?
Of course, it isn't strongly predictive of what will happen over 80 minutes, but I think dismissing form before these games could be one of those received wisdom things that doesn't necessarily stand up to scrutiny.
Same thing for Hull (just can't help myself).
The odd cup fixture against SL opposition might have crept through - that scroll bar on the FC website results record was too fiddly for me to double check.
Before Derby wins - 14W, 1D, 12L Before Derby defeats - 14W, 2D, 20L
So while there are plenty of exceptions, across a few years I think there is a trend that show form isn't quite as irrelevant as is sometimes assumed.
On testimonials, Kris Welham made his debut in 2006, I think - which'd make this his tenth season.
'Thus I am tormented by my curiosity and humbled by my ignorance.' from History of an Old Bramin, The New York Mirror (A Weekly Journal Devoted to Literature and the Fine Arts), February 16th 1833.
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deslawson wrote:Gareth ellis got a testimonial for 2 years service with you didn't he?
Got a 6 month one for service rugby league unlike King , Horney and Yeamo who got a 12 month testimonial for ten years service at one club
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deslawson wrote:Gareth ellis got a testimonial for 2 years service with you didn't he?
Was one of those reduced ones I think. Which I don't really agree with, devalues loyalty. Think we've had 3 full ones (Horne, Yeaman, Whiting) and two mini ones for Radford and Ellis recently. Guess Houghton will get a reduced one at Leeds in a couple of years if the stories are right.
Welham can't be far off for you, next year's his 11th at the club. Obviously his overall career achievements are materially less than Yeaman's but still, good effort, a few Derby tries and that.
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And all three of them players were slagged off for the last three seasons they played at your club one of them still on a regular basis and regards form going into a derby I remember our 42-6 win you were on a long unbeaten run and we'd won one in eight or something similar
einstien said insanity is when a person does the same thing over and over again but expects a different result
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) to see if something similar is reflected in Hull's pre-Derby form.
