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UllFC wrote:Ref was dire but we cant ignore that yet again there were many basic errors, we must have the worst passing ability in the league! Saints still had a few players missing and just seemed to go through the motions and waste time, yet we still cam away with zero points.
Yet again our best players were our 'old timers' Minichello and Pryce who continue to perform well but are hardly long term options. Ellis hobbled off yet again, the decision to extend his deal for another year is starting to look like poor business.
Sadly I didn't see much tonight to change my opinion that we'll be bottom 4
Did he? I thought he just looked exhausted after putting in 2 huge stints for us. The amount of big hits he and Sa got through tonight will have the Saints players feeling it until after the bank holiday.
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carl_spackler wrote:Personally, I came away not feeling like that at all. Did you go or is it the impression the radio gave? Frustrating at times, but not disappointing IMO, we made errors because we tried to play the game the right way. I'll not fault them too much for that, it's what most of us have been crying out for. Only Talanoa seemed to make an excessive amount of poor errors.
Thing is personally I don't think most our errors did come from the way we played as such. The expansive plays stuck mostly. It was meat n drink balls in simple areas of play that went wrong. Then we doubled/trebled up and couldn't recover due to the nature of the reffing. We got ourselves in a hole and his ineptitude of controlling offsides and the ruck didn't give us decent chances to put right our wrongs and earn territory and control position. Saints did and played the ref much better.
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Kosh wrote:Any game in which we make that many basic errors is disappointing IMO.
As for the rest...
Coulda, shouda, woulda.
Rubbish - Gollum commentating tonight?
We had a lot of unforced errors but deserved to win, played entertaining rugby (Mini's break, anyone?) and had more spirit and determination than Saints. Unlucky to lose, and I'm grateful for the splendid entertainment and hope gained. I'm guessing you missed a good match?
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Jake the Peg wrote:Maybe a bit unfair on michaels who does defend well (other than kicks) and carries the ball strongly but isn't much of a threat with ball in hand for me
Not sure. Hard game to judge. If we continue to expand the play he might go well. Does the hard stuff well. Kick was hard. Makinson is exceptional in the air and the ball was dropped right on him so hard to defend. I'd like to see more kick pressure. Why give a kicker time and then look upset when it's gone straight to hand of the jumping player. 1st try had multiple kicks. Hit him god dam it!
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Jake the Peg wrote:We also made plenty of unforced errors, including at least 3 from talanoa
I agree. As I say, it was frustrating that we didn't execute better, but I can't personally be disappointed with us now trying to play rugby instead of what we've been seeing for the last 18 months. Talanoa I picked out, too. He was disappointing (although very dangerous at times, too), but not the team IMO.
I think Scarrie is spot on that we fans need to decide what we want. If we want to minimise errors then accept the pants rugby we've been offered for months. If we want to be entertained, make peace with the fact that sometimes it will go wrong (especially until we improve the squad further).
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carl_spackler wrote:I agree. As I say, it was frustrating that we didn't execute better, but I can't personally be disappointed with us now trying to play rugby instead of what we've been seeing for the last 18 months. Talanoa I picked out, too. He was disappointing (although very dangerous at times, too), but not the team IMO.
I think Scarrie is spot on that we fans need to decide what we want. If we want to minimise errors then accept the pants rugby we've been offered for months. If we want to be entertained, make peace with the fact that sometimes it will go wrong (especially until we improve the squad further).
I agree with Scarrie too, and will accept the latter, ta.
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Jake the Peg wrote:Maybe a bit unfair on michaels who does defend well (other than kicks) and carries the ball strongly but isn't much of a threat with ball in hand for me
Todd Byrne Mark II, IMO. Will fill in a few positions and do a job without making a mess of it, but will not worry opposition and I question whether we needed to shop overseas for what he offers.
Came away from the game disappointed but atleast I'm enjoying it again. If we are going to play that way we are going to make errors but a couple in the first half were basic schoolboy stuff from talanoa and rankin
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carl_spackler wrote:Todd Byrne Mark II, IMO. Will fill in a few positions and do a job without making a mess of it, but will not worry opposition and I question whether we needed to shop overseas for what he offers.
Played well and hard tonight but agree. Overseas spot a waste
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airliebird,runninglate! wrote:Thing is personally I don't think most our errors did come from the way we played as such. The expansive plays stuck mostly. It was meat n drink balls in simple areas of play that went wrong. Then we doubled/trebled up and couldn't recover due to the nature of the reffing. We got ourselves in a hole and his ineptitude of controlling offsides and the ruck didn't give us decent chances to put right our wrongs and earn territory and control position. Saints did and played the ref much better.
There were some poor unforced errors fielding kicks, but I thought most of the spilt balls in possession were on things like crash balls or trying to pass the ball long to the centres to get around Saints' massively offside defence. When those balls stuck we were getting some real success at cutting through Saints. Much better to keep trying that than to try and plough through the congested middle like we've been doing for long enough with no joy.
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