easthull fc fan wrote:Of course I do, I'm a season pass paying supporter who wants to see us play to our strengths, we have played terrible in execution but I'm pleased with our defence 90% of the time, I would have played Abdul In Westys absence, as for yeamo he gets the defensive part right 9/10 times, his attacking flair is very poor at times but we don't have an attacking centre who reads opposition attack like him so I see why he plays him in a fashion, if you look at sariginson for Wigan he gets it wrong a very lot in defence but gets the attack right & has pace outside of him, I think we carry more pivots on the bench because of our poor attacking style for more available options, our current performances are poor for several reasons, I see Houghton as a pit pony but lacks the smartness to spot/create we have an old head in Pryce who can get us where we want on the field but Sneyd needs to execute better with his kicks, Westy is the link to the fringes & when this happens with our first choice back rowers on we can do damage, when you get in the oppositions 20, the best 3 options are =1 score a try, 2 a back to back set, 3 turn it over in the 10 & be disciplined & defend for your life, try & force errors/ make them kick under pressure within their 30/40 , for some reason we haven't been doing this but if you watch them train you will see they work non stop on this, but for some reason they're not taking it into a game. But like I say when they do play with the strongest 17 we will click, we are winging some games with some squad players in, but the performances are scrappy, but me for one will take any 2 points we can take no matter how we play, no one remembers the decent performances like at home to wire, they just remember the 2points lost, & in a season with P & R with other decent teams after the same thing we need all we can get, so rather then bitch on here about any of our staff not just LR which changes nothing on the pitch, I turn up & support the cause I have since I was 13.
No matter how good we look in training it isn't happening on the pitch which tells me the training or game preparation isn't right or the team are just failing to execute things. Whichever it is the buck stops with the coach and if he can't sort it he needs to go. Let's not forget that radford took us to the dizzy heights of 11th last season so it's not as if he has proven to be a good coach and is going through a sticky patch
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For the benefit of ccs I said in this thread yesterday at 7.54pm
Diogenes wrote:I don't expect us to win everything or indeed anything. I would settle for being able to watch some enterprising, entertaining rugby, to enjoy the match rather than feeling frustrated and disappointed. I can take a defeat as long as the team give it their all and compete, such as in the home game against Wire this season.
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ccs wrote:Thanks for clearing that up - I could have sworn you said we beat Warrington in the post I was replying to.
Thanks for pointing out my typo ccs. I meant to say our loss against Wire, which I think was a good performance, probably our second best of the season after which I went home happy despite the defeat.
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easthull fc fan wrote:So name the players that have come through then? & last season they employed more staff to the youth.
Lineham, Crooks, Shaul, Green ,& Bowden, came through via the u19's. Although I grant you none seem to have made any significant improvement, since Radford took over.(Crooks we'll never know) Abdull, Lancaster & co, would have ben about 15 - 17 when Gentle took over, you really think they should have been debuted?
westdock boy in oz wrote:Lineham, Crooks, Shaul, Green ,& Bowden, came through via the u19's. Although I grant you none seem to have made any significant improvement, since Radford took over.(Crooks we'll never know) Abdull, Lancaster & co, would have ben about 15 - 17 when Gentle took over, you really think they should have been debuted?
Lineham Came from York iirc . Crooks is still letting in try's for Wentworth and a million miles away from a Parra start . .
Mrs Barista wrote:Good post. I go to 90% of games home & away and the atmosphere away is so much better. Hard yards at the KC, and if I were a player trying my hardest (effort not really been questioned this year), getting seven sacks of crap knocked out of me, playing on the needle and so on, and getting little vocal support (at best, booed or having other players names chanted at me at worst) with banners etc, I'd hate the experience and it would dilute my effort compared to being forcefully supported. What once felt like a family now feels like a battleground and I personally think if people genuinely want the players to perform they should consider their own role as supporters as well as bitching non-stop about every aspect of the club. It's reciprocal, right? .
But you aren't a player and I guess you've never being an athlete in an elite situation or have had to perform multiple tasks in front of a live audience that is judging you at every moment? Your post is just inaccurate & wrong.
If a player needs vocal support from fans to somehow play better then there is something wrong! if you're listening to what's going on in the crowd you aren't focusing on your job 100%. And whilst in RL a player can turn to the crowd/hear the support that's at a down time. It actually has little if any effect on how a player then plays, you might have an instant feeling of being buoyed but when it gets down to the nitty gritty it means naff all, you don't hear the crowd/audience, you're concentrating on what's going on around you, focusing on what you're meant to be doing...or at least you should be!
Telling the fans they MUST actively show positive support because it will make us perform better is just inaccurate, as much as you and indeed athletes/players might think it does. studies done in the US have shown that sports with vocal fans, teams often play better without the fans at all than with fans cheering (not that we've had much to cheer about this past 1.5 years anyway). The greatest effect is in fact when sportspersons are being boo'd or jeered, this has a negative effect on performance (So bullying tactics by coaches/parents DO NOT WORK) Despite the evidence, both fans and athletes believe cheering/positive support helps, the hard facts show that it just doesn't.
That said getting fans to cheer/give vocal support when things aren't going well is a difficult thing to do, I'd say Hull fans have done more than most over the years but that effect is just primarily on the fans themselves. Of late the fans aren't cheering, they are so fed up with how things have gone backwards that it seems futile to even raise a rendition of 'old faithful'.
B0NES wrote:Lineham Came from York iirc . Crooks is still letting in try's for Wentworth and a million miles away from a Parra start . .
Forgot Lineham came from York area, but but didn't he then play in U/19's at Hull? Crooks probably won't ever get a start @ Parra, but young players like Russel, Naughton, etc never got first team starts either, but came back better players for the experience.
westdock boy in oz wrote:Lineham, Crooks, Shaul, Green ,& Bowden, came through via the u19's. Although I grant you none seem to have made any significant improvement, since Radford took over.(Crooks we'll never know) Abdull, Lancaster & co, would have ben about 15 - 17 when Gentle took over, you really think they should have been debuted?
Didn't LR bring the likes of shaul,lineham,Bowden, Hadley on in the youth set up about 4 years ago when he was head of u20s? Might I add Shaul & Hadley was never scholars & lineham was about to be binned off if gentle would have got his way, as we nearly signed another journeyman who's played for kr & crusaders, & greens from wakey or leeds.
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