Post subject: Re: radford's interview on blunderside
Posted: Fri May 01, 2015 11:34 pm
carl_spackler
Player Coach
Joined: Feb 20 2007 Posts: 10540 Location: Hunting Gopher
Mrs Barista wrote:He was asked directly by Lloyd "does it hurt you?", "what would you say to them?" And so on. If he said he wasn't bothered people would say he's a deaf/blind idiot. He says it does and feels it's partly unjustified and he's still wrong.
I don't think he'd be wrong to say it as you've said it. As I've just said to easthull fc fan, what I don't understand is how he thinks the confrontational way he goes about things will help. He can say that it hurts and that he doesn't think all of the criticism is fair without antagonising anyone, but he picked a known tender spot by comparing Hull and Rovers fans and hinting that they are better fans. What good can that possibly engender?
After Saints he had a pop about fans who change their mind week to week, a month on and he's criticising fans for essentially still holding the same opinion as they did then, for being doom and gloom despite winning, pretty much the definitive opposite. I think he's either in denial, or doesn't truly understand what the unhappy fans are actually unhappy about.
Post subject: Re: radford's interview on blunderside
Posted: Fri May 01, 2015 11:37 pm
B0NES
Club Coach
Joined: Jan 15 2005 Posts: 12465 Location: Hull
carl_spackler wrote:Exactly. We are awful to watch. Being awful to watch only really cuts it as acceptable when you're winning nearly every week. If all we're going to do is survive, entertain us whilst doing so. That might well be the difference between Hull & Rovers fans that he doesn't understand, they get entertained, we get bored.
All I'm saying is he is contributing to how he is being perceived by fans with the way that he is handling himself, and I don't understand how he can think it will help. Gates are falling because people don't want to watch the rugby he has us playing, I don't see how criticising them and dropping hints that they are crap fans compared to other teams will reverse that trend.
He's a one trick pony coach who regardless of who's fit , Dropped , Injured , Signed , Will play the same monotonous style of rugby he only knows. Have we really played any different with a full squad than the team he put out tonight ?.. imo no .
Post subject: Re: radford's interview on blunderside
Posted: Fri May 01, 2015 11:41 pm
carl_spackler
Player Coach
Joined: Feb 20 2007 Posts: 10540 Location: Hunting Gopher
Staffs FC wrote:In fairness our fans have been getting progressively crapper for a long time - in tandem with our demise over several years. It's also far easier to have a view aired these days. On balance he shouldn't have a go at the fans - or at least he should address his thoughts to those with banners but thank the majority of supporters who don't have banners, who turn up week in and week out when it really isn't easy, and who did actually get behind the team in the second half today. I think he has a right to take on his detractors but he should be praising the type of support that the team got tonight albeit late on.
I mostly agree. He has a right to take on his detractors, but in his role he has a responsibility to do so in a measured way IMO. Being antagonistic and bordering on aggressive at times is not appropriate. In other businesses you wouldn't have a pop at your customers if they criticised your product, would you?
Post subject: Re: radford's interview on blunderside
Posted: Sat May 02, 2015 2:00 am
knockersbumpMKII
International Chairman
Radford just keeps on showing why he is not the man for the job, rather than just focusing on the win, who did a good job etc he just can't help himself having a pop. He seems to be unable to fathom why fans are being critical, why fans are staying away but even then he should just shut up and say nothing and let the performances do the talking. Only they aren't, we've being truly shocking for the most part playing the most boring least organised rugby since I can remember. IF we avoid the middle 8s and then get into the top 6 by end of the season then he stays, if not he goes, it's as simple as that for me.
Post subject: Re: radford's interview on blunderside
Posted: Sat May 02, 2015 6:32 am
weaver93
Club Coach
Joined: Jan 11 2005 Posts: 3915 Location: West Hull
Omitting the win from last night, the performance clearly shows that the coaching team is unable to remedy our deficiencies.
Radford is in a 'Death Row' scenario, where his execution is.. not an 'If' but a 'when'.
After listening to his interview, where he states that when Ellis & Paea, our attack will be transformed, he is clearly in denial ,that the coaching team cannot improve our much maligned attack.
He states, we run the same plays as Leeds Rhinos, but they implement these plays with speed & precision, through repetitive drills in training. we dont.
I sincerely hope Pearson, changes his policy of appointing from within, as the next in line, is cut from the same cloth, that is woven from the same fabric, that has caused our demise.
Post subject: Re: radford's interview on blunderside
Posted: Sat May 02, 2015 8:43 am
Jimmy Carr
International Star
Joined: Jan 26 2013 Posts: 481
Having listened to the interview, I don't think there was too much aimed at the fans IMO.
Doesn't change my opinion that LR hasn't got the skills to pay the bills in terms of attacking plays and then getting his players to execute his ideas (having said that, I don't believe Anderson, McDermott and Wane come up with Leeds and Wigans attacking plays, it's more likely that comes from attacking coaches and there in lies the problem).
The big faux pas LR made in that is he fell into that old trap of comparing us against KR. Claiming their fans are enthused and enjoying a season of entertaining attacking rugby, yet our fans are suicidal but we are above them.
What of course he doesn't realise that being above KR is as relevant as being above Widnes or Wakefield (to most FC fans).
Using the old we are turd but we are above KR shout doesn't wash with me. I watched them lose 60-0 last night, if our barometer of success is just being better than that, then we've had it.
But, we did win a game that we might have lost a few weeks back, and the players deserve a little credit for hanging in, regardless of the opposition.
If it makes you happy it can't be that bad - Sheryl Crow 1996.
Post subject: Re: radford's interview on blunderside
Posted: Sat May 02, 2015 8:57 am
Jake the Peg
International Chairman
Joined: Mar 22 2007 Posts: 30565
Jimmy Carr wrote:Having listened to the interview, I don't think there was too much aimed at the fans IMO.
Doesn't change my opinion that LR hasn't got the skills to pay the bills in terms of attacking plays and then getting his players to execute his ideas (having said that, I don't believe Anderson, McDermott and Wane come up with Leeds and Wigans attacking plays, it's more likely that comes from attacking coaches and there in lies the problem).
The big faux pas LR made in that is he fell into that old trap of comparing us against KR. Claiming their fans are enthused and enjoying a season of entertaining attacking rugby, yet our fans are suicidal but we are above them.
What of course he doesn't realise that being above KR is as relevant as being above Widnes or Wakefield (to most FC fans).
Using the old we are turd but we are above KR shout doesn't wash with me. I watched them lose 60-0 last night, if our barometer of success is just being better than that, then we've had it.
But, we did win a game that we might have lost a few weeks back, and the players deserve a little credit for hanging in, regardless of the opposition.
His dig at the fans isn't the issue for me, it's the fact he seems convinced we're a great attacking side held back by injuries to players who will make a difference to our attack. We're not and none of the injured players will have a transformative effect on our attack.
Post subject: Re: radford's interview on blunderside
Posted: Sat May 02, 2015 8:58 am
Hessle Roader
Player Coach
Joined: Oct 07 2006 Posts: 4932 Location: Drypool Bridge - watching out for invaders from the East.
I listened to both interviews on the way home and Chester was big enough to admit "the buck stops with me". I can't recall LR ever having said this, it appears its always the players' fault. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Post subject: Re: radford's interview on blunderside
Posted: Sat May 02, 2015 9:00 am
Jake the Peg
International Chairman
Joined: Mar 22 2007 Posts: 30565
Dave K. wrote:Strike players wasn't the wrong term, he should have said keys players, Westy, Shaul, Paea and Ellis are all massive players for us and big losses.
They are but none would (or have when they've played) make that much difference to the attacking structures. radford made mention of strike players and something about leeds getting players "3 on 3" (from memory, can't be bothered to listen again) and creating something from nothing. We haven;t done that since he took over so it's unlikely to suddenly happen.
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