Post subject: Re: It's the players' fault, not the coach
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2015 12:38 pm
Errlee Berd
International Star
Joined: Apr 07 2013 Posts: 669
hull2524 wrote:bombed out the thing is on some of your points i agree, the way you go about others i dont, but everbody is allowed an opinion, i ask again who are these clappers ?, not me as am about as fedup as you i expect,
I challenge KnockersBump on another thread about him commenting that some are happy with the current situation, and who these people were, as I haven't see any.
I've seen the 'happy clappers' comment a few times, and other than about 10 people after the game on Friday (who I think were more clapping Paea personally rather than the team), I haven't seen anyone who's happy about what's happening.
I think it's more a default response to people who don't agree with their viewpoint.
Post subject: Re: It's the players' fault, not the coach
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2015 12:39 pm
*1865*
Player Coach
Joined: Jul 25 2008 Posts: 14158
fcandy wrote:This all comes down to one decision for me, either I stop supporting the club I love or continue to go and support it despite the obvious issues that need addressing. If enough people decide to do the first option in protest of the current failings in coaching and player performance then longer term this actually makes getting to the place we all want the club to be more difficult (Cutting off your nose to spite your face). It may even contribute to the eventual demise of the club. That is something I can simply not do as I would rather have a failing club that could potentially be great one day than no club at all.
We have to accept that only one man's decision counts in reality, and although the large majority disagree with his stance on the coach, he has earned the right by way of investment to make those decisions. No one accept Adam knows what factors are in the mix when finalising those decisions and I suspect the financial burden of the club is now having a major influence on them. Our owner has invested a lot of money, always been open and honest with us, has accepted past mistakes and has always had the clubs best interest at heart. As a fan base we can expect little more when you think of all the factors working against him at present. I think he and therefore the team deserves our backing all things considered.
Post subject: Re: It's the players' fault, not the coach
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2015 12:43 pm
*1865*
Player Coach
Joined: Jul 25 2008 Posts: 14158
Errlee Berd wrote:I challenge KnockersBump on another thread about him commenting that some are happy with the current situation, and who these people were, as I haven't see any.
I've seen the 'happy clappers' comment a few times, and other than about 10 people after the game on Friday (who I think were more clapping Paea personally rather than the team), I haven't seen anyone who's happy about what's happening.
I think it's more a default response to people who don't agree with their viewpoint.
Unfortunately, to some on here you can't be unhappy with things that are happening without utter condemnation of Radford, Pearson, Tony, the fans that argue different. If you do you're accused of 'blindly accepting' the situation. Which isn't true. I'd watch FC if we were in the NCL with Standee as coach, it's just called being a supporter to me.
Post subject: Re: It's the players' fault, not the coach
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2015 12:47 pm
carl_spackler
Player Coach
Joined: Feb 20 2007 Posts: 10540 Location: Hunting Gopher
ChrisH wrote:I think this is the nub of the matter. Everything else is spin and opinion depending on whether you're AP , the hired help , a glass half full fan or the opposite. We don't know whether AP is making decisions based on finance rather than what he knows is right/better. That not knowing means it's difficult to know what to do as a fan. Do you stop going and hasten the demise of the club or keep it going in the short term but end up making things worse in the longer term as the damage to the club increases incrementally? Ultimately although I moan and complain on here , at the KC and to anyone who'll listen , until I actually get to the ground and the game starts I still want to be there more than I don't - just.
This is probably about the most sensible way to go about deciding whether or not to attend, TBH. I've assessed on the same basis, I just happen to have reached a different verdict. Last week brought it home to me, really. I was invited to something on Friday, and instead of the previously reflexive 'Sorry I can't, Hull are at home' response that was the norm, the offer appealed. I'm p***ed off and bored at the match, I'm p***ed off for the rest of the evening, when discussing it over the course of the rest of the week, or when I see pieces like today's from Pearson making excuses and appealing for more patience, and it makes me angry and resentful of the effort and money I've expended when I see the kind of performances typical of this and last season.
So it's a personal thing, but I'm no longer prepared to spend money on something that makes me miserable.
Post subject: Re: It's the players' fault, not the coach
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2015 12:49 pm
Smiggs
Club Owner
Joined: Jan 30 2004 Posts: 9673 Location: Hull
carl_spackler wrote:This is probably about the most sensible way to go about deciding whether or not to attend, TBH. I've assessed on the same basis, I just happen to have reached a different verdict. Last week brought it home to me, really. I was invited to something on Friday, and instead of the previously reflexive 'Sorry I can't, Hull are at home' response that was the norm, the offer appealed. I'm p***ed off and bored at the match, I'm p***ed off for the rest of the evening, when discussing it over the course of the rest of the week, or when I see pieces like today's from Pearson making excuses and appealing for more patience, and it makes me angry and resentful of the effort and money I've expended when I see the kind of performances typical of this and last season.
So it's a personal thing, but I'm no longer prepared to spend money on something that makes me miserable.
Post subject: Re: It's the players' fault, not the coach
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2015 12:51 pm
Chris71
Moderator
Joined: Jan 30 2004 Posts: 8328 Location: Never never land away with the fairies
carl_spackler wrote:This is probably about the most sensible way to go about deciding whether or not to attend, TBH. I've assessed on the same basis, I just happen to have reached a different verdict. Last week brought it home to me, really. I was invited to something on Friday, and instead of the previously reflexive 'Sorry I can't, Hull are at home' response that was the norm, the offer appealed. I'm p***ed off and bored at the match, I'm p***ed off for the rest of the evening, when discussing it over the course of the rest of the week, or when I see pieces like today's from Pearson making excuses and appealing for more patience, and it makes me angry and resentful of the effort and money I've expended when I see the kind of performances typical of this and last season.
So it's a personal thing, but I'm no longer prepared to spend money on something that makes me miserable.
Sums up my feelings too perfectly
I really enjoy long walks especially when they are taken by people I don't like!
Post subject: Re: It's the players' fault, not the coach
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2015 12:58 pm
carl_spackler
Player Coach
Joined: Feb 20 2007 Posts: 10540 Location: Hunting Gopher
fcandy wrote:This all comes down to one decision for me, either I stop supporting the club I love or continue to go and support it despite the obvious issues that need addressing. If enough people decide to do the first option in protest of the current failings in coaching and player performance then longer term this actually makes getting to the place we all want the club to be more difficult (Cutting off your nose to spite your face). It may even contribute to the eventual demise of the club. That is something I can simply not do as I would rather have a failing club that could potentially be great one day than no club at all.
We have to accept that only one man's decision counts in reality, and although the large majority disagree with his stance on the coach, he has earned the right by way of investment to make those decisions. No one accept Adam knows what factors are in the mix when finalising those decisions and I suspect the financial burden of the club is now having a major influence on them. Our owner has invested a lot of money, always been open and honest with us, has accepted past mistakes and has always had the clubs best interest at heart. As a fan base we can expect little more when you think of all the factors working against him at present. I think he and therefore the team deserves our backing all things considered.
Agree with a lot, but not the last sentence. They need our backing, I can't think of an argument as to why they deserve it. They are doing no more than their jobs (and badly), and Pearson in particular is now openly acknowledging fan discontent whilst seemingly refusing to act, actually suggesting we should stop complaining and also appealing for us to keep turning up. As he rightly says, attendances are a reflection of performances, and I'm more inclined to say that that's a fairer barometer of what he and the club currently deserve.
Post subject: Re: It's the players' fault, not the coach
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2015 1:10 pm
BarnetFC
International Star
Joined: Nov 15 2011 Posts: 126
I actually agree with the title of the thread. It is the players' fault - albeit operating within a culture that has rewarded, and encouraged, mediocrity for sometime.
Several times - Kear, Sharp, Gentle - the Hull FC players have downed tools to get a coach the sack. So I can see why Adam might take a stand, and say no, you're not doing it again, this guy is the coach and it'll be you lot you get the finger pointed at you and not him this time.
The sad thing is, the time to do that was after Huddersfield with Gentle, not now when we have a coach who wasn't up to it as a player or a captain and certainly isn't up to it as a coach. Not only that, but a coach who was part of that culture of drinking club, rewarding mediocrity and getting coaches the sack that we need to be rid of! He's backing completely the wrong horse, but I can see why he's doing it.
Ultimately, doomed. This is going to get much worse before it gets even a little bit better.
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