Joined: Jul 15 2005 Posts: 29816 Location: West Yorkshire
Jake the Peg wrote:We only have 2 first team coaches so replacing them would hardly be difficult. The rest of the backroom staff may be fine for all we know but it would be for the new coach to decide
It would be. Therefore clearing everyone out now would be expensive and impractical.
Joined: Apr 24 2012 Posts: 257 Location: West Sussex
It's interesting to see the reaction of people on here. 12 months ago it was a definite split. Those who stated its not the coach who tells players to drop balls and miss tackles, and others who felt that it was the coaches failings. (That's a simplified summary of feelings 12months ago). I have been in the give Radford a chance as he has the job, but I didn't want him in the first place, camp. I personally felt at no time last season that we had any signs of improving under LR. He changed the philosophy of the team over night, from a team going in the right direction under PG after the debacle of Agar, to absolute dross. He styles us on the Bulls style of play instigated by Noble under which he got success. That was a style of the 1990s. It's not effective anymore. The game has advanced in style and technique from those days. Knockers Bump was quite outspoken in saying what ability LR had in close season. I argued that he and we couldn't possibly know what courses, experience etc LR had picked up and that we should wait until Easter. Well Easter came and we were dire vs HKR. We had a patched up bunch team vs Sts who happen to have a patched up bunch of kids and we got a rare win. We then beat a Widnes team who you could argue beat themselves. Then Sheffield who competed admirably against us and troubled us at times. Yet nobody and I mean nobody was getting carried away. Our attack was still woeful and we simply relied on our defence. Well that only gets you so far in modern day full time rugby league.
I strongly believe Radford led a mutiny against PG. he is the one who has gained most from it. In my opinion he should be charged with fraud. He has totally misrepresented himself and Adam like a fool fell for it. After all if its too good to be true there has to be a catch. Sadly the catch is that Adam has dug himself a bloody big bunker into which he has no escape. He's backed LR fully for reasons only he can explain. All I can see LR has done in the off season is paint a building and call it The Boulevard which will by all accounts inspire the squad (another fraudulent act).
So Adam if you do read this forum, and in all honesty to gauge some fans reaction he should, then enjoy the ride. Fans are deserting the KC. Not the club as they will be back once things improve. It's an expensive business following a team. So none of this IAKOW stuff. It's all about entertainment and value for money. Times are hard and not getting easier, so the more reasons you give supporters not to go the more they will not go. Pass holders will attend or be counted, but the walk ups will not. Shirt sales will drop and income will drop, but whatever you do don't blame us fans, as its your incompetence and that of the coaching staff that has caused that and not stay away fans.
Start immediately with a new coaching team who can inspire a half decent bunch of players and you might just keep the fans who go week in week out. Failure to act and its Bradford, Leigh, (hopefully) London and Sheffield again in the summer.
Beneath the rule of men entirely great, the pen is mightier than the sword.
radford was never the right appointment and few championed his cause at the time (there were a few, led by his cuz who now seems to have disappeared into the ether). If pearson didn't feel that gentle was the right man then he absolutely had to appoint someone he KNEW to be a better coach, not some untried rookie with barely a couple of seasons as assistant to the previous "failed" coach (I wonder what pearson would give now for the failure of a 6th place finish and a CC final).
radford has show absoultely nothing to indicate that there is a decent coach in ether waiting to break out. We are truly awful to watch. Kicking game poor, kick chase lacks enthusiasm, defensive technique average, attacking play slow, ponderous and predicatable, defensive line speed slow and lacking aggression, backing up non existent. the list goes on but fact is in most respects we are the worst side in SL, kept off the bottom only by a club who play in an antiquated stadium, play in front of pitiful crowds resulting in significant financial problems and are teh only club in SL not operating at the salary cap (I won't mention their lengthy injury list)
The only sensible answer to our malaise is an immediate change of coach but I don;t see pearson pulling the trigger any time soon
Joined: Feb 03 2004 Posts: 565 Location: no where near east hull
@airlie_bird wrote:It's interesting to see the reaction of people on here. 12 months ago it was a definite split. Those who stated its not the coach who tells players to drop balls and miss tackles, and others who felt that it was the coaches failings. (That's a simplified summary of feelings 12months ago). I have been in the give Radford a chance as he has the job, but I didn't want him in the first place, camp. I personally felt at no time last season that we had any signs of improving under LR. He changed the philosophy of the team over night, from a team going in the right direction under PG after the debacle of Agar, to absolute dross. He styles us on the Bulls style of play instigated by Noble under which he got success. That was a style of the 1990s. It's not effective anymore. The game has advanced in style and technique from those days. Knockers Bump was quite outspoken in saying what ability LR had in close season. I argued that he and we couldn't possibly know what courses, experience etc LR had picked up and that we should wait until Easter. Well Easter came and we were dire vs HKR. We had a patched up bunch team vs Sts who happen to have a patched up bunch of kids and we got a rare win. We then beat a Widnes team who you could argue beat themselves. Then Sheffield who competed admirably against us and troubled us at times. Yet nobody and I mean nobody was getting carried away. Our attack was still woeful and we simply relied on our defence. Well that only gets you so far in modern day full time rugby league.
I strongly believe Radford led a mutiny against PG. he is the one who has gained most from it. In my opinion he should be charged with fraud. He has totally misrepresented himself and Adam like a fool fell for it. After all if its too good to be true there has to be a catch. Sadly the catch is that Adam has dug himself a bloody big bunker into which he has no escape. He's backed LR fully for reasons only he can explain. All I can see LR has done in the off season is paint a building and call it The Boulevard which will by all accounts inspire the squad (another fraudulent act).
So Adam if you do read this forum, and in all honesty to gauge some fans reaction he should, then enjoy the ride. Fans are deserting the KC. Not the club as they will be back once things improve. It's an expensive business following a team. So none of this IAKOW stuff. It's all about entertainment and value for money. Times are hard and not getting easier, so the more reasons you give supporters not to go the more they will not go. Pass holders will attend or be counted, but the walk ups will not. Shirt sales will drop and income will drop, but whatever you do don't blame us fans, as its your incompetence and that of the coaching staff that has caused that and not stay away fans.
Start immediately with a new coaching team who can inspire a half decent bunch of players and you might just keep the fans who go week in week out. Failure to act and its Bradford, Leigh, (hopefully) London and Sheffield again in the summer.
This
Born Black and White
Die Black and White
Hull will give us a tough game but the key is to silence their fans in the Threepenny Stand.We have to do this because if we do'nt they will get behind their side and lift them in a way you've never seen,heard or witnessed before.
Frank Stanton. Coach to the 1982 "Untouchables" Aussie team. 1982 "
Mrs Barista wrote:I get the sentiment but paying off and recruiting a whole new staff in one go is not realistic. Why should Horne be sacked? U19s thus far are doing well. And fitness/conditioning - not sure that's a big issue.
I think fitness and conditioning is a problem. The problem being is that is all they seem to do to the detriment of other parts if the game.
I honestly think Radford is obsessed with the big and strong as possible era of the Bulls. The technical skills of the team are disgraceful
HFC Boy wrote:The whole sprit of the Club has gone . We play in a Souless environment, with no roots to our traditional supporter base !! Hull FC are now a Club paying the price for selling out !! I was at Charleston Club like many others , pre merger when we were fighting to survive . The late great Roy Waudby addressed us before he sadly passed away , about building the Club from stratch. We may have been better , like our noisy neighbours doing that !! At least we would have had some passion, spirit and desire !! Watching this team , in that moonscape of a stadium is destroying us . Pearson has taken us backwards , first team wise and I never thought that would happen !
Joined: Jul 15 2005 Posts: 29816 Location: West Yorkshire
FCFaithful Stu wrote:I think fitness and conditioning is a problem. The problem being is that is all they seem to do to the detriment of other parts if the game.
I honestly think Radford is obsessed with the big and strong as possible era of the Bulls. The technical skills of the team are disgraceful
Agreed. The blind belief that enough sets of possession in the last third of the field will magically translate to points is staggering. Maybe if you have Hape and Vainokolo it will on occasion, but we're not on that position.
Mrs Barista wrote:Agreed. The blind belief that enough sets of possession in the last third of the field will magically translate to points is staggering. Maybe if you have Hape and Vainokolo it will on occasion, but we're not on that position.
Exactly, the really scary thing is there seems to be a complete lack of appreciation for the fact we don't have the players to play like that.
Although we might not win any more games I would rather see Pryce and Sneyd given free reign to play expansive creative rugby. Especially in the opposition half. It would be a dam site better to watch than that dross served up last night. There is more chance the players would buy in to it as well.
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