Joined: Jul 15 2005 Posts: 29811 Location: West Yorkshire
phil webbo wrote:It would be a battle won, but not a small one if you take into account the Councils relationship with said individuals, The aim of this action is not to bring down the SMC but to ensure that the sports that were to all intent and purpose evicted, given their access back, The Council not only needs to be seen to be taking the moral highground but also acting in a resposible manner, but there is a feeling within cabinet that should any possible court action open up other possibilities we would be remiss to not explore any and all options, An earlier post mentioned the council wouldn't want to touch this but would want to pass the FM on is quite right, That said we have now set up an arms length sports and arts company which could act in a transitional manner until other arrangements could be made,
Good that an alternative operator could assume the SMC role straightaway.
phil webbo wrote:People need to remember that we put this contract out not to eaarn money but to stop it cost money as the stadium ages.
Most people with an ounce of sense can appreciate this.
phil webbo wrote: As for help and support for the academy, The FA have always listened to representations from the council and we could offer officer help with the manner of the planning application.
Makes sense. Just unsure that the Allams want to be seen as relying on your assistance.
phil webbo wrote:I don't expect any help from the media, I'm sure people will remember when Burnsy made some criticism of the club he was banned from the ground on matchday, so I can't see the BBC being vocal anytime soon, even Levy who ALWAYS plays the Devils advocate took it easy with him, strange that the criticism of Terry Geraghty's handling of the meetings in the early days had people calling him and saying he must go, makes you think now!
Burnsy's gone further than that and said he thought a deal should have been done for Allam to have the stadium. Feel embarrassed for him now as the recent performance so completely vindicates the decision not to do business with Allam (if there were ever a deal on the table). If he'd been given West Park and so on you could well imagine the breaches of Planning restrictions left, right and centre, given the actions as a lessee of the arena! The HDM aren't much better. It's pretty disappointing that the integrity to report in a balanced way on the SMC and custodianship point is compromised to ensure the inside track on the football. Cheers for this information, look forward to the updates.
Joined: Jan 11 2005 Posts: 3913 Location: West Hull
Mrs Barista wrote:Good that an alternative operator could assume the SMC role straightaway.
Most people with an ounce of sense can appreciate this.
Makes sense. Just unsure that the Allams want to be seen as relying on your assistance.
Burnsy's gone further than that and said he thought a deal should have been done for Allam to have the stadium. Feel embarrassed for him now as the recent performance so completely vindicates the decision not to do business with Allam (if there were ever a deal on the table). If he'd been given West Park and so on you could well imagine the breaches of Planning restrictions left, right and centre, given the actions as a lessee of the arena! The HDM aren't much better. It's pretty disappointing that the integrity to report in a balanced way on the SMC and custodianship point is compromised to ensure the inside track on the football. Cheers for this information, look forward to the updates.
Burnsy went one step further... He stated that the Council should initiate the negotiations again, so much for a 'balanced' journalist eh?
Burnsy is apprehensive of losing media coverage from Hull City & exclusive interviews from the Allam's as the BBC are only too aware, of the sensationalist ramblings and controversial outbursts, which mean one thing.. listener's ratings.
Joined: Jul 15 2005 Posts: 29811 Location: West Yorkshire
weaver93 wrote:Burnsy went one step further... He stated that the Council should initiate the negotiations again, so much for a 'balanced' journalist eh?
Burnsy is apprehensive of losing media coverage from Hull City & exclusive interviews from the Allam's as the BBC are only too aware, of the sensationalist ramblings and controversial outbursts, which mean one thing.. listener's ratings.
Lost all credibility when at a Press Conference Allam said to him "David, you know I'm a man of my word. When have I ever not done what I said I would do?" and there was a tumbleweed silence.
Joined: Jun 01 2007 Posts: 12671 Location: Leicestershire.
WormInHand wrote:Yep (again!). People think he's out-of-touch and oblivious. Rubbish. He's extremely astute and clever. I think he will "win".
If he's playing dumb, it's a helluva convincing act.
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Joined: Jun 01 2007 Posts: 12671 Location: Leicestershire.
[quote="Mrs Barista"] Most people with an ounce of sense can appreciate this. [\quote]
Indeed, the problem, as with any public-private deal is that the private sector can shut up shop when the good times are over. I know you've often mocked our peppercorn rent, but I also know how reluctant you are for the council to take on risk - and it does minimise risk to the council. Very hard for FC or City to walk away from it. You've still then got the issue of Allam's Cersei Lannisteresque scheming, so probably not workable, sadly.
'Thus I am tormented by my curiosity and humbled by my ignorance.' from History of an Old Bramin, The New York Mirror (A Weekly Journal Devoted to Literature and the Fine Arts), February 16th 1833.
Mild Rover wrote:Indeed, the problem, as with any public-private deal is that the private sector can shut up shop when the good times are over. I know you've often mocked our peppercorn rent, but I also know how reluctant you are for the council to take on risk - and it does minimise risk to the council. Very hard for FC or City to walk away from it. You've still then got the issue of Allam's Cersei Lannisteresque scheming, so probably not workable, sadly.
Joined: Jun 01 2007 Posts: 12671 Location: Leicestershire.
Errlee Berd wrote:
Top photoshopping!
'Thus I am tormented by my curiosity and humbled by my ignorance.' from History of an Old Bramin, The New York Mirror (A Weekly Journal Devoted to Literature and the Fine Arts), February 16th 1833.
Joined: Aug 30 2005 Posts: 3231 Location: in a cave
Obadiah wrote:Unless the Council told the Allams they would be putting the SMC into liquidation to get the lease back it would be a potential offence under Section 2 (1) of the Fraud Act 2006. Section 12 covers companies and their directors.
Its possible that the Hull City Tigers Limited's loans are perfectly legitimate. Assem Allam gets his money from the interest Allamhouse charges Hull City, and its more than £3 million a year.
No it wouldn't be an offence because there would be no false representation. Silence cant amount to a representation unless in response to a direct question. There would only be a problem if the council actively misled the Allams as to their intentions for the company after any transfer of the SMC.
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Joined: Oct 26 2007 Posts: 2570 Location: East Hull is Wonderful
Diogenes wrote:No it wouldn't be an offence because there would be no false representation. Silence cant amount to a representation unless in response to a direct question. There would only be a problem if the council actively misled the Allams as to their intentions for the company after any transfer of the SMC.
I think this is just confusing the issue, there will be no transfer of the SMC, it is a private FM company owned by a third party and nothing what so ever to do with the council, It's the lease and the FM contract that falls within the remit of the council, so should a court find The SMC in breach and the lease and contract revert back to the council the company (SMC) would still exist and be registered at company's house albeit without the contract, where they went with any attached debt and as a trading entity is entirely their business, and what the council did with the contract is theirs.
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phil webbo wrote:I think this is just confusing the issue, there will be no transfer of the SMC, it is a private FM company owned by a third party and nothing what so ever to do with the council, It's the lease and the FM contract that falls within the remit of the council, so should a court find The SMC in breach and the lease and contract revert back to the council the company (SMC) would still exist and be registered at company's house albeit without the contract, where they went with any attached debt and as a trading entity is entirely their business, and what the council did with the contract is theirs.
I think we were talking about the scenario where the council accepted Allam's offer to take the SMC. As you rightly say the key to it all is whether the council could lawfully terminate the lease. If it can and if it chooses to do so (and I accept it may not want to) it could cost Allam a lot of money.
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