Post subject: Re: so just who is letting Radford down?
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 11:49 am
Staffs FC
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carl_spackler wrote:But tbf, those inconsistent points I made are pretty much things Pearson has said or intimated.
- When he sacked Gentle and appointed Radford he said that Gentle was soft and the players needed someone strong to bring about the correct reaction and improvements. - He has also criticised Gentle/McRae's recruitment and lauded Radford's. - 18 months on the squad has been changed to the new coach's liking, but we're actually worse.
Somehow though, this isn't the coach's fault; he's being let down by other people. This seems to suggest the players, which is very odd given he's assembled this squad, his recruitment has been much better than the last setup's, and he's a much better man-manager who can get the best out of players.
I'm honestly of the opinion that Pearson thinks most of us fans are stupid.
Playing devil's advocate of course that could be turned around the other way. People who would have given Gentle more time (such as yourself) despite being nilled at Wembley and being outrageously and embarrassingly stuffed out of sight in the play offs seem to want to blame the players for that and absolve the coach of any blame. Kind of depends on your point of view really.
As I said at season start give Radford 10 games and see where we are. Once again we've lost multiple games narrowly - we're undoubtedly the experts at it - but in the main we don't play enough good attacking rugby. Two losses in the next two games should see him out. He would deserve to go in the same way Gentle did in my opinion.
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Post subject: Re: so just who is letting Radford down?
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 11:55 am
carl_spackler
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weaver93 wrote:Quote from AP.." and it helps enormously having a coach you can trust and who is working his hardest.."
Gentle untrustworthy? Maybe AP thinking PG was siding with McRae?? Maybe the McDonnell situation - or a smokescreen??
"who is working his hardest." - questioning his work ethic? If true, he did very well then, doing sod all -making it to top 6 & Wembley.
I could partly understand that. If he lost trust with Gentle, then the position is untenable. I just can't my head around why he's still backing Radford so vehemently. Trust and hard work are to be valued and admired, but they need to be backed up. I'd be honest and try my best for Pearson, doesn't mean I should be anywhere near the job.
Post subject: Re: so just who is letting Radford down?
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 12:10 pm
Tinkerman23
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carl_spackler wrote:I could partly understand that. If he lost trust with Gentle, then the position is untenable. I just can't my head around why he's still backing Radford so vehemently. Trust and hard work are to be valued and admired, but they need to be backed up. I'd be honest and try my best for Pearson, doesn't mean I should be anywhere near the job.
Doesn't want to admit he was wrong and is scared shitless of Radford, only explanation
Post subject: Re: so just who is letting Radford down?
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 12:12 pm
carl_spackler
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Staffs FC wrote:Playing devil's advocate of course that could be turned around the other way. People who would have given Gentle more time (such as yourself) despite being nilled at Wembley and being outrageously and embarrassingly stuffed out of sight in the play offs seem to want to blame the players for that and absolve the coach of any blame. Kind of depends on your point of view really.
Some might, but I don't think the majority do, and I certainly don't. What I actually said was that I think a few months' results and 2 performances in particular overshadowed almost 2 years of steady (if a little slow) improvement. I didn't say those were nothing to do with Gentle, I just said that overall, the rest of his tenure should IMO have seen him given the opportunity to continue that improvement and make amends for those two games.
I was also making the point about the inconsistent treatment/assessment. That's not even close to saying it was the players' faults and not Gentle's. It was directly questioning why Radford isn't getting any of the blame. It's very rare that it is ever purely the players' fault or purely the coach. Gentle was rightly criticised (although I personally don't agree with the balance of how much), but blame is still being laid at Gentle's door 18 months later whilst Radford is being lauded for having better recruitment and being a better coach despite the fact that we're somehow worse.
So my point of view is that that makes no sense to any right-thinking person.
Staffs FC wrote:As I said at season start give Radford 10 games and see where we are. Once again we've lost multiple games narrowly - we're undoubtedly the experts at it - but in the main we don't play enough good attacking rugby. Two losses in the next two games should see him out. He would deserve to go in the same way Gentle did in my opinion.
Post subject: Re: so just who is letting Radford down?
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 12:57 pm
bonaire
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carl_spackler wrote:Some might, but I don't think the majority do, and I certainly don't. What I actually said was that I think a few months' results and 2 performances in particular overshadowed almost 2 years of steady (if a little slow) improvement. I didn't say those were nothing to do with Gentle, I just said that overall, the rest of his tenure should IMO have seen him given the opportunity to continue that improvement and make amends for those two games.
I was also making the point about the inconsistent treatment/assessment. That's not even close to saying it was the players' faults and not Gentle's. It was directly questioning why Radford isn't getting any of the blame. It's very rare that it is ever purely the players' fault or purely the coach. Gentle was rightly criticised (although I personally don't agree with the balance of how much), but blame is still being laid at Gentle's door 18 months later whilst Radford is being lauded for having better recruitment and being a better coach despite the fact that we're somehow worse.
So my point of view is that that makes no sense to any right-thinking person.
Fair comment.
People seem to forget the horrendous injury list that Gentle had to contend with
Post subject: Re: so just who is letting Radford down?
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 1:21 pm
carl_spackler
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bonaire wrote:People seem to forget the horrendous injury list that Gentle had to contend with
All coaches have to deal with injuries at one time or another, how they cope with them is just more material on which to judge them. As long as coaches are measured to the same standards there's not a problem. Rock God X nailed it last year (where did he go?).
Post subject: Re: so just who is letting Radford down?
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 1:37 pm
Staffs FC
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carl_spackler wrote:All coaches have to deal with injuries at one time or another, how they cope with them is just more material on which to judge them. As long as coaches are measured to the same standards there's not a problem. Rock God X nailed it last year (where did he go?).
To be honest the performance and on going situation of any coach will be measured by the criteria that their boss determines. Not by anyone else's and certainly not by what fans think. It's unlikely that anyone outside of that process would get to know the inner details of it unless they stumped up a few million and implemented their own system by themselves becoming the owner. Just the way of the world really.
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Adam Pearson said not wrote:I know there are two franchises and two clubs (in Hull) and that will remain forever more
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