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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 1:13 pm 
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WormInHand wrote:For Home attendance only? Most, I would imagine as the North Stand takes 4000 Away fans.

The North stand is not for away fans.






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 Post subject: Re: City, should we be concerned?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 1:18 pm 
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hull city v villa attracted over 21,000 incl 2500 villa away fans

no even i can work out that the home fans came under 20,000!

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 Post subject: Re: City, should we be concerned?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 1:22 pm 
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2,500 villa fans on a Tuesday night.? PMSL

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WIZEB wrote:Looks like the Tigers have given themselves every chance of avoiding the drop now much to the chagrin of many on here. :lol:


Stoke, Sunderland and Leicester in the next three games. Good results in these should set the platform for staying in the Premiership, much to the chagrin of many others on here :D

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 Post subject: Re: City, should we be concerned?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 1:38 pm 
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looking in wrote:For Premier league games at the KC the away allocation is 2,500 max.

Actually, the Away segregated section has now been moved to the NE corner with a capacity to seat 2600 for this season. They've had attendances as low as 21000 for Premier League matches this season, 18000 for the Europa League game. In previous seasons to this, regardless of the allocation of tickets, the North stand still had capacity of 4000 which must be removed from the equation, appropriate segregation of opposing fans being applicable.

In the Championship, the average attendance was around 15000, roughly the same as ours when we started to perform. This is, of course, ignoring the contribution to the RL total attendance in the city from you lot.






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 Post subject: Re: City, should we be concerned?
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looking in wrote:2,500 villa fans on a Tuesday night.? PMSL




it was the north stand behind the goal that was empty, designated for home fans!

villa are still a big name club with a big fanbase and following!

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 Post subject: Re: City, should we be concerned?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 2:33 pm 
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*1865* wrote:As a company it will be able to buy and sell assets, suppose it's possible it bought the training facilities and rented them to City.

A company that makes no profit at all






He was right in the end

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 Post subject: Re: City, should we be concerned?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 3:15 pm 
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The SMC accounts for 2010 (signed off by the Allams BTW) showed a gross profit of £0.4m on Hull FC activities -we paid £0.6m and cost of sales was reported as £0.2m. In 2014 we paid £0.5m to the SMC and direct costs were now £1.2m. A sixfold increase in direct costs. OK then. The implication on that basis is that for every spectator £4.10 is paid to the SMC but the DIRECT cost of each is £9.44. This is before overheads of £0.5m (a further £3.73 per spectator).

When you compare the two sets of accounts there are multiple income streams - sponsorship, catering, Premier Club, advertising, car parking, events, training ground declared in 2010. In 2014, there's less detail but assuming a similar pattern to 2010 it appears the vast majority of these income streams are shown as directly attributable to Hull City Tigers only. Right.

The accounts for City show stadium employee expenses as £2.2m. Which doesn't tie back directly to the P&L schedule in the SMC accounts for the same period.

There could be all sorts of explanations. Changes in accounting policies and intercompany charging mechanics between the multiple companies within Allamhouse for example, changed cost allocation methodology. The squash and polo things don't seem to be shown separately. But the question that is most pertinent I think is how the £1.7m the SMC reportedly incur to host 13 rugby games a year, given that we seem to run a fair bit of the ticketing operations ourselves, benchmarks against the likes of Wigan, Huddersfield etc. Might have a look at that one.

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 Post subject: Re: City, should we be concerned?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 3:32 pm 
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looking in wrote:Name the City games with less than a 20,000 attendance.


west ham 21000
Man City 22800
Southampton 22000
Swansea 21900
A Villa 21000

Take away the away supporters probably all less than 20000 home fans
Unless Hull city consolidate in the Premier League for four or five seasons pushing into the top half of the table there is little point in extending the KC capacity.

The most pathetic attendance for me was the FA cup 5th round against Brighton 10700 and sixth round ( 2 games from Wembley) against premier League Sunderland 21000

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Huddersfield Giants pay Kirklees Stadium Development Limited a total of £300k pa for stadium use, annual rental, and an allocation of admin costs shared with Huddersfield Town and other users of the stadium.

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