Post subject: Re: All time greatest Hull FC team No.s 3 & 4 - The Centres
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:15 am
frepneyboy
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Joined: Dec 29 2011 Posts: 3607 Location: Back row of Threepenny, forever
Barnabus wrote:Bit harsh on Kerk Yeaman I reckon.
Won the Challenge Cup International honours with GB & England Came through your academy Defensively one of the best centres out there Played over 300 times Scored 150+ tries SL dream team a couple of times 10+ years service at the club
Appreciate what you've got. You could have Kris Welham.
I agree, Yemo needs to be in there, you missed of 2 massive things though which push him in and also warrant a life time contract 1, Kissing his badge at Wakey the day after you all proclaimed his signing 2, Decapitating several Rovers fans in the North stand at KC, after scoring of course, when he "lobbed" the ball in there
Post subject: Re: All time greatest Hull FC team No.s 3 & 4 - The Centres
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:35 am
Barnabus
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Joined: Mar 15 2012 Posts: 1346 Location: Marfleet
frepneyboy wrote:I agree, Yemo needs to be in there, you missed of 2 massive things though which push him in and also warrant a life time contract 1, Kissing his badge at Wakey the day after you all proclaimed his signing 2, Decapitating several Rovers fans in the North stand at KC, after scoring of course, when he "lobbed" the ball in there
Post subject: Re: All time greatest Hull FC team No.s 3 & 4 - The Centres
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 1:39 pm
knockersbumpMKII
International Chairman
Barnabus wrote:Bit harsh on Kerk Yeaman I reckon. Won the Challenge Cup International honours with GB & England Came through your academy Defensively one of the best centres out there Played over 300 times Scored 150+ tries SL dream team a couple of times 10+ years service at the club .
I get what you are saying BUT One of the players left out of the 6 (Gilbert) was a dual international for Australia & played Origin, he was our captain for the 1914 CC winning team (as well as Captain for Australia after WWI) and had a great scoring rate for the time he was here and as I said previously considered to be one of the greatest rugby players not just of his era but of all time..there's a decent write up here on him http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herb_Gilbert Yeaman whilst a very good centre and has certainly shown glimpses of being at the very top end just isn't the very very best. Rep honours, sure, but not comparable to others, defensively sound but has always being prone to coming out the line and costing us despite being a big hitter and never shirked in the tackle, also he's never being that great in the air either(IMO). His passing/thought process to get his winger away has always being debateable. When we are talking about the GOAT we are looking for players with the perfect attributes for that position that stand out not just in their own era within a club but also at international level and are considered greats through time..Yeaman isn't that man but is due ultimate respect for his loyalty to the club, ahievements and no amount of talent.
As I've said, I think to leave Gilbert out over Leuluai and/or Yeaman is a mistake if we are to judge on GREATEST not most loved/well remembered. Both those two had too many defeciencies that should eliminate them from the very very best IMO.
Barnabus wrote:Bit harsh on Kerk Yeaman I reckon. Won the Challenge Cup International honours with GB & England Came through your academy Defensively one of the best centres out there Played over 300 times Scored 150+ tries SL dream team a couple of times 10+ years service at the club .
I get what you are saying BUT One of the players left out of the 6 (Gilbert) was a dual international for Australia & played Origin, he was our captain for the 1914 CC winning team (as well as Captain for Australia after WWI) and had a great scoring rate for the time he was here and as I said previously considered to be one of the greatest rugby players not just of his era but of all time..there's a decent write up here on him http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herb_Gilbert Yeaman whilst a very good centre and has certainly shown glimpses of being at the very top end just isn't the very very best. Rep honours, sure, but not comparable to others, defensively sound but has always being prone to coming out the line and costing us despite being a big hitter and never shirked in the tackle, also he's never being that great in the air either(IMO). His passing/thought process to get his winger away has always being debateable. When we are talking about the GOAT we are looking for players with the perfect attributes for that position that stand out not just in their own era within a club but also at international level and are considered greats through time..Yeaman isn't that man but is due ultimate respect for his loyalty to the club, ahievements and no amount of talent.
As I've said, I think to leave Gilbert out over Leuluai and/or Yeaman is a mistake if we are to judge on GREATEST not most loved/well remembered. Both those two had too many defeciencies that should eliminate them from the very very best IMO.
Post subject: Re: All time greatest Hull FC team No.s 3 & 4 - The Centres
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 5:39 pm
Legends and Icons
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Post subject: Re: All time greatest Hull FC team No.s 3 & 4 - The Centres
Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 3:10 am
Freddie Miller.
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Joined: Nov 20 2011 Posts: 1184 Location: Australia
knockersbumpMKII wrote:I get what you are saying BUT One of the players left out of the 6 (Gilbert) was a dual international for Australia & played Origin, he was our captain for the 1914 CC winning team (as well as Captain for Australia after WWI) and had a great scoring rate for the time he was here and as I said previously considered to be one of the greatest rugby players not just of his era but of all time..there's a decent write up here on him http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herb_Gilbert Yeaman whilst a very good centre and has certainly shown glimpses of being at the very top end just isn't the very very best. Rep honours, sure, but not comparable to others, defensively sound but has always being prone to coming out the line and costing us despite being a big hitter and never shirked in the tackle, also he's never being that great in the air either(IMO). His passing/thought process to get his winger away has always being debateable. When we are talking about the GOAT we are looking for players with the perfect attributes for that position that stand out not just in their own era within a club but also at international level and are considered greats through time..Yeaman isn't that man but is due ultimate respect for his loyalty to the club, ahievements and no amount of talent.
As I've said, I think to leave Gilbert out over Leuluai and/or Yeaman is a mistake if we are to judge on GREATEST not most loved/well remembered. Both those two had too many defeciencies that should eliminate them from the very very best IMO.
Just to add that in the list of the best ever 100 Aus players picked in 2007 for the centenary event, Gilbert was one of 2 players that played for Hull the other being Sterling. Neither was selected in the squad of 17 that was named as the Aus 'Team of the Century' selected from those 100 best players. One player from that team did play for Rovers, however, and you all know his name?!
knockersbumpMKII wrote:I get what you are saying BUT One of the players left out of the 6 (Gilbert) was a dual international for Australia & played Origin, he was our captain for the 1914 CC winning team (as well as Captain for Australia after WWI) and had a great scoring rate for the time he was here and as I said previously considered to be one of the greatest rugby players not just of his era but of all time..there's a decent write up here on him http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herb_Gilbert Yeaman whilst a very good centre and has certainly shown glimpses of being at the very top end just isn't the very very best. Rep honours, sure, but not comparable to others, defensively sound but has always being prone to coming out the line and costing us despite being a big hitter and never shirked in the tackle, also he's never being that great in the air either(IMO). His passing/thought process to get his winger away has always being debateable. When we are talking about the GOAT we are looking for players with the perfect attributes for that position that stand out not just in their own era within a club but also at international level and are considered greats through time..Yeaman isn't that man but is due ultimate respect for his loyalty to the club, ahievements and no amount of talent.
As I've said, I think to leave Gilbert out over Leuluai and/or Yeaman is a mistake if we are to judge on GREATEST not most loved/well remembered. Both those two had too many defeciencies that should eliminate them from the very very best IMO.
Just to add that in the list of the best ever 100 Aus players picked in 2007 for the centenary event, Gilbert was one of 2 players that played for Hull the other being Sterling. Neither was selected in the squad of 17 that was named as the Aus 'Team of the Century' selected from those 100 best players. One player from that team did play for Rovers, however, and you all know his name?!
Post subject: Re: All time greatest Hull FC team No.s 3 & 4 - The Centres
Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 7:29 am
ComeOnYouUll
Club Owner
Joined: Sep 25 2003 Posts: 22361
Freddie Miller. wrote:Just to add that in the list of the best ever 100 Aus players picked in 2007 for the centenary event, Gilbert was one of 2 players that played for Hull the other being Sterling. Neither was selected in the squad of 17 that was named as the Aus 'Team of the Century' selected from those 100 best players. One player from that team did play for Rovers, however, and you all know his name?!
Post subject: Re: All time greatest Hull FC team No.s 3 & 4 - The Centres
Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 10:20 am
Erik the not red
Player Coach
Joined: Jan 29 2010 Posts: 865
knockersbumpMKII wrote:As I've said, I think to leave Gilbert out over Leuluai and/or Yeaman is a mistake if we are to judge on GREATEST not most loved/well remembered. Both those two had too many defeciencies that should eliminate them from the very very best IMO.
James Leuluai played 29 times for his country, a remarkable number for a player with numerous deficiencies in his game. In truth he was a very good player indeed. I agree that Gilbert deserves inclusion in the 6 nominations but not at Leuluai's expense. As it is centre is obviously historically one of Hull's strongest positions and perhaps there's a case for 8 nominations here where the number of viable candidates is stronger than for example the wingers.
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