Post subject: Re: Things that get blamed on Muslims
Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 8:37 am
Sal Paradise
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Ferocious Aardvark wrote:I assume you're wrong on this, as we have clearly been told by another poster that the pub industry is in fact thriving, so what you say simply can't be true. There must be double the pubs, and they are surely all packed to the gunwales.
I was hardly denying that there have been major changes in society and social activity, though, nor was I trying to advance some simplistic one-size-fits-all panacea. The fact is, supermarkets and developers have been responsible for closing down of hundreds of well-used community pubs by taking advantage of lax planning laws, these being the reason they target pubs if sited where the supermarkets want to be. They can be soft targets. Whether this particular pub was one of them doesn't affect the wider point, and if a pub really has lost its trade and can't replace it, then like any business, it is doomed, there's no argument there. The argument is that in very many cases the closing of valuable community pubs is a scandal, against the wishes of locals and nothing to do with viability. I don't argue that's the case in every closure.
Very unlikely if a pub was successful it would have been closed so that a supermarket could expose a loophole in the law. Most likely the pub was struggling to survive so closing it was the only viable option. Thankfully the supermarkets had the capital to renovate it and put it to use employing local people. The alternative another empty licenced property for vandals to have a go at.
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Post subject: Re: Things that get blamed on Muslims
Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 9:21 am
King Street Cat
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Ferocious Aardvark wrote:The argument is that in very many cases the closing of valuable community pubs is a scandal, against the wishes of locals and nothing to do with viability.
Although you have a point, I'm keen to know how many of these locals actually frequent their community pub on a regular basis? There has been a culture in Britain for a while now where people see a protest and just draw up a banner or sign a petition without actually having a clue about what's going on. Pubs only close if they're not thriving, fact.
I go to my local pub on average twice a week and know most of the regulars and the bar staff on first name terms. Christmas is a good time of year to see the sort of people who would be outraged at the closure of their local and would be the first to sign the petition. The truth is they only venture in once a year to behave like animals for the office Christmas pi$$ up.
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Post subject: Re: Things that get blamed on Muslims
Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 12:36 pm
Ferocious Aardvark
International Chairman
Joined: Feb 17 2002 Posts: 28357 Location: MACS0647-JD
You can't be that keen to know, as the information is out there, The All-Party parliamentary Save the Pub Group, CAMRA, etc., read up on the subject then you won't need to speculate.
You can't be that keen to know, as the information is out there, The All-Party parliamentary Save the Pub Group, CAMRA, etc., read up on the subject then you won't need to speculate.
Post subject: Re: Things that get blamed on Muslims
Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 1:37 pm
King Street Cat
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Joined: Mar 25 2010 Posts: 4648 Location: BD23
Ferocious Aardvark wrote:You can't be that keen to know, as the information is out there, The All-Party parliamentary Save the Pub Group, CAMRA, etc., read up on the subject then you won't need to speculate.
I've been a CAMRA member for years and know plenty about closing pubs, I've also seen it happen in my surrounding area, the brutal truth is that they close because they're poop and very few people frequent them.
Your quoted article is probably one of the worst you could have picked and just highlights my point. Regular punters? What, three primary school kids and a bulldog? A 'Watch England Here' poster in the background. Yeah, cos we all want to go to the pub to watch footy with a load of tracksuited loons don't we? The article also goes on to say “Following a review of this site we have identified that the long term potential of the business as a pub is limited. We have therefore taken the decision to close the pub.” Translated that means, ''We're a stuck-in-the-1970s dive run by people who don't know their booty from their elbow. We tried to get more people in by paying for a Sky subscription and it didn't work. Even swapping the Fosters for Carling and the Walkers for Seabrook has made no difference. We haven't got a clue how we can turn it around so might as well cash in with Tesco."
Ferocious Aardvark wrote:You can't be that keen to know, as the information is out there, The All-Party parliamentary Save the Pub Group, CAMRA, etc., read up on the subject then you won't need to speculate.
I've been a CAMRA member for years and know plenty about closing pubs, I've also seen it happen in my surrounding area, the brutal truth is that they close because they're poop and very few people frequent them.
Your quoted article is probably one of the worst you could have picked and just highlights my point. Regular punters? What, three primary school kids and a bulldog? A 'Watch England Here' poster in the background. Yeah, cos we all want to go to the pub to watch footy with a load of tracksuited loons don't we? The article also goes on to say “Following a review of this site we have identified that the long term potential of the business as a pub is limited. We have therefore taken the decision to close the pub.” Translated that means, ''We're a stuck-in-the-1970s dive run by people who don't know their booty from their elbow. We tried to get more people in by paying for a Sky subscription and it didn't work. Even swapping the Fosters for Carling and the Walkers for Seabrook has made no difference. We haven't got a clue how we can turn it around so might as well cash in with Tesco."
"Back home we got a taxidermy man. He gonna have a heart attack when he see what I brung him."
Post subject: Re: Things that get blamed on Muslims
Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 4:52 pm
Ferocious Aardvark
International Chairman
Joined: Feb 17 2002 Posts: 28357 Location: MACS0647-JD
So Karen Gooding who said:
Quote: “The Royal Stag holds a special place in my heart – it became my comfort zone since losing my husband in March 2010. It’s a really communal pub and it has the most caring staff you could ask for.
“The pub held all sorts of events for the Hospice of St Francis, local children’s charities and more.
Former landlady from 2010 to 2014 Jaqui LeBrun :
Quote:“It’s a loss to the community in Highfield. We raised thousands for charity and lots of events for OAPs.
Elly, who worked at the pub for two years, said:
Quote: “It’s been a massive part of our community for more than 50 years."
... are all wrong or lying, and the pub wasn't viewed by the community, or the 200 who have already signed a petition, as a community asset then?
I wonder how you know this?
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Post subject: Re: Things that get blamed on Muslims
Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 6:09 pm
King Street Cat
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Joined: Mar 25 2010 Posts: 4648 Location: BD23
But it's a business and a failing one at that. Unfortunate as it is, there's no place for sentiment in a failing business. They need a community centre round their way, not a pub.
On another note, read some of the comments in the reply section from the locals.
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