Joined: Mar 01 2002 Posts: 10969 Location: Bradbados
Probably not.
To be fair, unlike many on here, I don't particularly blame Franny Cummins for our demise - he was dealt a pretty rubbish hand and far more experienced coaches than him would have fallen on their faces in those circumstances. At the end of the day, coaches come and coaches go, they will all have more more success at certain stages of their careers and the one thing they have in common is that they will all get sacked every now and then. It doesn't signify them being a bad coach, just that, usually, results weren't [for whatever reason] going their way at the time and that, mixed with internal politics, often dictate events.
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. Mark Twain
Joined: Dec 22 2001 Posts: 31838 Location: The Corridor of Uncertainty
It’s hard to properly judge Cummins as a coach since so much went wrong that was outside his control.
As far as Green is concerned he’s steadied the ship. Considering the omnishambles that preceded him taking over this is quite an achievement. The club has been on an ever steepening decline since 2006/7 but for the first time in ages I’m actually quietly confident we’re back on the up. That’s mainly down to Green sorting out the club finances and bringing the right people in.
Whether it’s a false dawn we shall see.
"If you start listening to the fans it won't be long before you're sitting with them," - Wayne Bennett.
I'm sorry but I still don't see the positives. We've been relegated, we now have to try and finish in the top four and then beat at least one SL team in a competition that is skewed towards them. This is akin to the man that falls of he top of the Empire State and keeps saying not dead yet as he passes each floor.
Joined: Mar 01 2002 Posts: 10969 Location: Bradbados
'Tumbling man' is heading for a pretty certain death, so his optimism is probably misplaced. We, on the other hand, have only dropped a division, and even when the enormous ask of a rise back to SL isn't achieved, we still have a team to support. We are only 'dead' if you consider watching lower league RL to be 'death', personally I don't.
At best we'll defeat the odds and win our place back; at worst we'll stay in the championship until the rules are changed back to P&R or licensing is re-introduced. I hope it's the best but if it's the worst, well so be it.
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. Mark Twain
Joined: Feb 17 2002 Posts: 28357 Location: MACS0647-JD
rugbyreddog wrote:I'm sorry but I still don't see the positives. We've been relegated, we now have to try and finish in the top four and then beat at least one SL team in a competition that is skewed towards them. This is akin to the man that falls of he top of the Empire State and keeps saying not dead yet as he passes each floor.
If you are using that analogy then we are the man who survived the fall, picked himself up, dusted himself off, and is pretty fit and well. He used to work on the top floor, and the only question is whether or not he can push his way into the lift.
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It may be closer to say that we have fallen and landed on a canopy. At the moment there is a small hole in the canopy and it is a question of whether he can climb back inside the building before the hole opens open and he tumbles to his death.
We may have fallen off the top of the Empire State Building under Green, but first Hood, and then Omar under impossible conditions from the the Rugby League 'family' took the club to a party on a very narrow ledge on the 86th floor, gave it copious amounts of LSD, and whispered 'you can fly'.
Green could have sacked Cummins sooner but we got relegated by 11 points, which not counting the 6 we got taken away would have put us in the top 8 - truly fanciful notion given the number of players either FC or Jimmy had at his disposal. Why would any club lend us decent props mid season, when there are so few in the league anyway? As soon as Mullally played well, Hudds took him back.
I can't see how where we are is Green's fault. Conversely, he's put a strong backroom and squad together given salary cap constraints and having looked at the squads at the likely bottom end of SL I think certainly one, possibly two are beatable. As other have said, considering the years of shambles, outright malfeasance, squandering of the club's asset base, bizarre involvement of the RFL lending previous BOD's money they had no chance of ever paying back, just no name a few, I think the present set up is just about OK.
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