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 Post subject: Re: Cup game in Manchester.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:40 am 
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Iain wrote:I'm basing my thought on what happened with Manchester Storm*. Early on the crowds flocked to see them hammer teams - the crowds had no preconceptions and didn't really know anything about the quality (or lack of) of teams like Bracknell, Ayr, Telford & Blackburn, they just wanted to be entertained by seeing their team win, and win well. How that would translate to an atmosphere for an RL game with a decent sized crowd of newbies is unknown. The atmospere for such a game at Barton would be dire, and that's partly due to us existing fans knowing that it's no big deal to be able to steamroller lower opposition, but the newbies don't have that same world-weariness about them. You get it at Barton sometimes when the kids in the East Stand who are in for some schools/juniors activity are clearly getting more excited about what's going on on the pitch than many in the South Stand.

Possibly, but I'm still not convinced. Watching a team run 50+ points past the opposition might appeal to kids - giving the team a kind of invincible super hero vibe - but I'm not sure it would work for the more discerning punter. I suspect the attraction of something new and American would have been a factor in drawing people to watch the Storm, whereas RL doesn't have that, and I'm not sure serving up a 'lambs to the slaughter' event would be as attractive.






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 Post subject: Re: Cup game in Manchester.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:50 am 
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Michigan red wrote:Wasn't the £13,000,000 including the building of the infrastructure and units surrounding the stadium?

A council doesn't always make money on every project though, some are investments in the future of certain areas, if they sold up getting serious new coffers into the bank and then the area was invested in my the Doc/Peel then surely they have done the job we all expect a council to do for the local community?

As far as I'm aware, the stadium cost £26 million, so the city's share was the £13 million.

I think the problem is that for the city to sell up, it would have to recover that outlay or the letters page in the Advertiser would go ballistic, but, given that the stadium makes a loss, why would anyone pay that much for it? And it isn't really benefitting the local community. Salford Red Devils is a private business. Would you be happy to see the city build a £13 million superstore and then sell it to Tesco for less than that? It's the same situation. In the long run, the presence of that stadium or that superstore may bring some limited regeneration to the area, but at the cost of giving a huge amount of council tax payers money to a private business, which doesn't look good.






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 Post subject: Re: Cup game in Manchester.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:08 pm 
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Salford Council might be making a loss from the actual stadium, but they'll more than recoup this through sales and rental income from the surrounding land and future retail/leisure facilities.






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 Post subject: Re: Cup game in Manchester.
PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 7:44 pm 
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A point to be wary of if the plan is to start to draw support from East Manchester. For 10 years I worked on/with projects related to the regeneration of the area, many based around job creation, training and increasing people's skills and employability. Broadly speaking it was an ongoing struggle to get people to go out of the area (for job interviews, training courses etc) because for a few generations there was lots of industry and most people in the area worked close to where they live. Projects would find people in Beswick saying that they couldn't/wouldn't travel to Higher Openshaw, let alone places like Trafford Park and Wythenshawe where there were big industrial estate with jobs.

It's over 5 years since I was working with these projects, and Metrolink has probably opened it up a bit to the wider area, but I think that if Salford want to attract new support from Manchester, then East Manchester might not give the richest pickings (but there's not really any other stadiums to play at).

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 Post subject: Re: Cup game in Manchester.
PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 1:53 am 
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John Gilbert Reds wrote:Salford Council might be making a loss from the actual stadium, but they'll more than recoup this through sales and rental income from the surrounding land and future retail/leisure facilities.

So that makes it ok then?






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 Post subject: Re: Cup game in Manchester.
PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 1:56 am 
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Red John wrote:As far as I'm aware, the stadium cost £26 million, so the city's share was the £13 million.

I think the problem is that for the city to sell up, it would have to recover that outlay or the letters page in the Advertiser would go ballistic, but, given that the stadium makes a loss, why would anyone pay that much for it? And it isn't really benefitting the local community. Salford Red Devils is a private business. Would you be happy to see the city build a £13 million superstore and then sell it to Tesco for less than that? It's the same situation. In the long run, the presence of that stadium or that superstore may bring some limited regeneration to the area, but at the cost of giving a huge amount of council tax payers money to a private business, which doesn't look good.

Err exactly where does Salford fit into this, everywhere I read you are the Red Devils, I admire this cos the round ball boys stole this name from
You.






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 Post subject: Re: Cup game in Manchester.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:50 am 
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Why would the club think taking a game 2 or 3 miles away would attract new supporters? The people of Manchester are well aware of Salford and where they play so if they were interested in watching a match they’d be here already ...another indication that they see the future of the club away from the city of Salford and with a different name!! Lets face it the absence of Salford from any of the merchandise is just the beginning

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 Post subject: Re: Cup game in Manchester.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 12:27 pm 
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djws61 wrote:Why would the club think taking a game 2 or 3 miles away would attract new supporters? The people of Manchester are well aware of Salford and where they play so if they were interested in watching a match they’d be here already ...another indication that they see the future of the club away from the city of Salford and with a different name!! Lets face it the absence of Salford from any of the merchandise is just the beginning


Please do us all a favour and stop 'supporting' Salford now. You've threatened it numerous times. Amazingly, the Club will survive without your negativity. A real supporter would not only voice their fears about aspects of the Club, but would also offer counter-arguments. They would pass comment on a number of Club related subjects and try and be balanced, at least with explanation, about a whole range of topics.

What you do, is occasionally turn up on here to drum home one particular point. Regardless of the thread. You offer no evidence for your point of view just opinion based on nothing but what's inside your head. You don't comment on anything else much, and certainly don't comment positively on nearly anything. My question to you is, why bother being a supporter? The clue is in the word 'Supporter'. What you are is a Salford 'detractor'.

Do yourself a favour, buck your ideas up and join in properly.






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 Post subject: Re: Cup game in Manchester.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 1:55 pm 
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We seem to have more people per square mile than other clubs like this dont we?

Moan about this and then about that.

In reality they should pinch themselves and realise that we have some superb players lined up next year and instead of being negative - BRING a mate to the next match.

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 Post subject: Re: Cup game in Manchester.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 4:27 pm 
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Marshy1 wrote:
John Gilbert Reds wrote:Salford Council might be making a loss from the actual stadium, but they'll more than recoup this through sales and rental income from the surrounding land and future retail/leisure facilities.

So that makes it ok then?

Well of course it does. Unless you're one of those feeble-minded Garridoids who think local authorities should be responsible for nothing more than emptying the bins, and should just stand idly by while investment and jobs flow down to the South-East, you'll recognise that those local authorities need to generate jobs and investment in whatever way they can. As businesses spring up around the stadium, it should, eventually, start to pay for itself.

In addition, a successful Salford team (or two Salford teams - Salford Red Devils and Salford Blue Lions - how good does that sound?) can be used to promote the city. I know you rarely stray too far from the Swinton Vasey district of Salford, but you might be aware that Warrington were using their rugby club to promote the town on the Underground (it's a kind of train system that runs through tunnels in London) a few years ago. The stadium is an investment in that future.






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