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 Post subject: Re: Scottish Referendum
PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 3:56 pm 
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Starbug wrote:The sheer size of the US demands the way they operate, similarily Australia, we just dont need it

I don't see what size has to do with it? There are some tiny States in USA. Not to mention there are Federal States in Europe, such as Germany, Switzerland and Belgium.

Do you really believe the politicians in Westminster will do what's best for us Northerners?






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 Post subject: Re: Scottish Referendum
PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 4:06 pm 
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Wellsy13 wrote:I don't see what size has to do with it? There are some tiny States in USA. Not to mention there are Federal States in Europe, such as Germany, Switzerland and Belgium.

Do you really believe the politicians in Westminster will do what's best for us Northerners?


I believe all politicians do what is best for themselves, and that would include ' Federal ' ones

How would you split England? ,and what responsibility would you devole?






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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 4:52 pm 
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DaveO wrote:If you implement it you effectively break up the Union. Why? Well if Scottish MP's can't vote on matters that affect England we could never have a Scottish MP as a government minister, PM or chancellor ever again and if we are still supposed to be in a Union with a UK-wide government with MP's from all parts of it sat in Westminster this is clearly unworkable.

Of the 22 Cabinet Ministers. 2 are Scottish. Danny Alexander and the minister for Scotland. There's no rule or law that says you have to pick a Scot. A majority government could easily function without a Scot in cabinet. The problem for you is a majority Labour government couldn't, which is what yet another of your "WAAAAAAAAHHHHHH....Tories" posts is really about.

I wonder if they've labelled Danny Alexander "Token" yet.

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 Post subject: Re: Scottish Referendum
PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 5:13 pm 
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Starbug wrote:I believe all politicians do what is best for themselves, and that would include ' Federal ' ones

How would you split England? ,and what responsibility would you devole?

Like I say, I'd need to know more about what the other models operate like before even coming up with an answer to the latter.
The former is an interesting one. I used the current regions of England as an example, but I probably wouldn't use them exactly. I think there'd need to be some form of identity and culture behind each state, but accept that would be fairly difficult to achieve!

I'll give it a stab though!...
So the Federal States of the UK:
Scotland
Wales
Northern Ireland
London State (current London region)
Cumbria & Northumbria (North East region plus Cumbria)
Yorkshire (current Yorkshire & Humber region minus the North Lincolnshire counties)
Lancashire (North West region minus Cumbria)
West Midlands (current region)
East Midlands (current region plus North Lincolnshire counties)
Anglia (East of England region)
South East England (current region)
West Country (South West minus Cornwall)
Cornwall (current county)

There's probably something better than the names I've suggested, but I've tried to stick closely with the current regions with a few cultural shifts I'm aware of such as Cornwall, who have an independence movement, and Cumbria being aligned with the lesser-populated North East than Lancashire (who would have a far better local connection to the name than "North West").






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 Post subject: Re: Scottish Referendum
PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 5:26 pm 
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And responsibility devolved?






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SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!

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 Post subject: Re: Scottish Referendum
PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 7:54 pm 
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Now that is all sorted can we have another vote to see if the rest of the UK want rid of them ?

Give them a second chance .. Everyone deserves a second chance .

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 Post subject: Re: Scottish Referendum
PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 8:14 pm 
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p1nkyw1nky1 wrote:Now that is all sorted can we have another vote to see if the rest of the UK want rid of them ?

Give them a second chance .. Everyone deserves a second chance .


Search out the England fans from the other week on youtube

F*** off Scotland, we're voting yes :lol:






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Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity

Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike




SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!

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 Post subject: Re: Scottish Referendum
PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 8:16 pm 
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Starbug wrote:No, stupid idea


Why?






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 Post subject: Re: Scottish Referendum
PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 8:25 pm 
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Starbug wrote:And responsibility devolved?

Similar to how it is in the US I suppose. States have the right to set taxes, certain laws, govern schools, etc.

Federal government to sort out national issues such as immigration, broadcasting, postal service, drivers licences, defence, etc.

Like I say, I'm not big on politics so there's probably a load of guff in there. But it would be good to see local laws based on local opinions and not that of people based in London. The death penalty in certain states of the UK would be interesting...!






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Wellsy13 wrote:Federal government to sort out national issues such as immigration, broadcasting, postal service, drivers licences, defence, etc.


Driving licences are done by each state.

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