Post subject: Re: Historical sexual abuse charges...
Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 7:39 pm
World of Redboy
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JerryChicken wrote:No, for once they took an old list of allegations to trial with some actual evidence including a letter from one young woman who had written to him many years ago telling him how despicable she thought he was for what he did to her - rather stupidly he kept it in his bedside drawer for years and it was there when the police searched his home, presumably it was all part of how he got his kicks.
Why he kept that letter just doesn't make sense. I don't whether that letter had this woman's name and address on it, but if I had received a letter like that wand were innocent I'd be getting in touch with her straight away to find out why she sent it. If what she wrote was true I'm have burnt it so no evidence of it existed.
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Post subject: Re: Historical sexual abuse charges...
Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 10:00 pm
JerryChicken
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World of Redboy wrote:Why he kept that letter just doesn't make sense. I don't whether that letter had this woman's name and address on it, but if I had received a letter like that wand were innocent I'd be getting in touch with her straight away to find out why she sent it. If what she wrote was true I'm have burnt it so no evidence of it existed.
You have to wonder how much his two wives knew about it too, a bedside cabinet is not the most secure place to keep your deepest secrets, not in our house anyway
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Post subject: Re: Historical sexual abuse charges...
Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 5:43 am
@airlie_bird
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Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:Is that 10 years for his vile, nasty story peddling with 2 years taken off for the stress of this stupid trial?
I haven't been watching his trial very much. Just the occasional story here and there. But from what I read it was all ridiculous nonsense. Supposedly showing his tiny penis and joking about how small it was while asking women to go to bed with him.
Anyone got an idea of the serious attack he's supposed to have done to get himself 8 years? I just hope he hasn't got 8 years for stupid nonsense like that ^^^^^. But I don't have that much faith in the British justice system so I wouldn't put it past them to give him a ridiculous sentence even without a serious assault.
It might help if a) you followed the trial before making yourself look foolish and b) read the summing up by the judge before dismissing the case in such a trivial way.
In terms of the offences some are taking far more seriously under the 2003 legislation and carry much tougher sentences. For example rape which is what some of the charges he was found guilty of are now.
Once you recognise all of the above you might actually realise that the BJS is excellent. It's not perfect, but it's one of the best systems in the world which he served us well for many years.
Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:Is that 10 years for his vile, nasty story peddling with 2 years taken off for the stress of this stupid trial?
I haven't been watching his trial very much. Just the occasional story here and there. But from what I read it was all ridiculous nonsense. Supposedly showing his tiny penis and joking about how small it was while asking women to go to bed with him.
Anyone got an idea of the serious attack he's supposed to have done to get himself 8 years? I just hope he hasn't got 8 years for stupid nonsense like that ^^^^^. But I don't have that much faith in the British justice system so I wouldn't put it past them to give him a ridiculous sentence even without a serious assault.
It might help if a) you followed the trial before making yourself look foolish and b) read the summing up by the judge before dismissing the case in such a trivial way.
In terms of the offences some are taking far more seriously under the 2003 legislation and carry much tougher sentences. For example rape which is what some of the charges he was found guilty of are now.
Once you recognise all of the above you might actually realise that the BJS is excellent. It's not perfect, but it's one of the best systems in the world which he served us well for many years.
Beneath the rule of men entirely great, the pen is mightier than the sword.
Post subject: Re: Historical sexual abuse charges...
Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 7:00 am
Sal Paradise
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Joined: Feb 27 2002 Posts: 18060 Location: On the road
8 years is not enough for this arrogant sexual predator. Far from being deeply ashamed of his actions his arrogance shows his contempt for the process and most of all his victims.
A truly odious individual who - hopefully - will get some of his own medicine during his four year vacation.
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Post subject: Re: Historical sexual abuse charges...
Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 7:10 am
The Video Ref
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Joined: Feb 29 2004 Posts: 4195
I think he will appeal sentence and it will be found unduly harsh and reduced.
He may even try and appeal verdicts. But you can't just appeal a decision because you don't like it. There has to be a reason.
I doubt there was anything wrong in law or procedure, so he will probably try and argue perverse verdicts (i.e. verdicts not properly supported by evidence).
Post subject: Re: Historical sexual abuse charges...
Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 8:25 am
@airlie_bird
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Joined: Apr 24 2012 Posts: 257 Location: West Sussex
The Video Ref wrote:I think he will appeal sentence and it will be found unduly harsh and reduced.
He may even try and appeal verdicts. But you can't just appeal a decision because you don't like it. There has to be a reason.
I doubt there was anything wrong in law or procedure, so he will probably try and argue perverse verdicts (i.e. verdicts not properly supported by evidence).
In what way is it unduly harsh. His actions have had a profound effect on his victims for years. There is also the issue now of further victims. When you compare to Stuart Hall as many have done this is not harsh. He forced his victims through a lengthy trial and has been found guilty. I am sure some will argue its lenient. He should accept his fate and go quietly.
Though I do expect an appeal or two.
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Post subject: Re: Historical sexual abuse charges...
Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 8:05 am
Derwent
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Joined: Feb 25 2004 Posts: 2874 Location: Sometimes Workington, Sometimes Warrington, Often on the M6
Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:How often are sentences served consecutively? Isn't the normal practice to have all served at the same time? IMO it makes more sense to properly punish criminals for their crimes but as far as I was aware concurrent sentencing was how most people are dealt with.
It is fairly common for there to be consecutive sentences where there are multiple victims to enable those victims to know what the punishment is for the crimes against them individually.
In the case of the 15 year old, for example, it is clear from the sentencing remarks that Clifford got 4.5 years for those offences. That victim can now hopefully get some closure and move on in the certain knowledge of the sentence that her abuser will serve in relation to her.
Given that the judge said he would have passed a sentence of not less than 8 years for one particular count alone under modern guidelines then Clifford can consider himself lucky that it's the totality for all counts.
Derwent wrote:It is fairly common for there to be consecutive sentences where there are multiple victims to enable those victims to know what the punishment is for the crimes against them individually.
In the case of the 15 year old, for example, it is clear from the sentencing remarks that Clifford got 4.5 years for those offences. That victim can now hopefully get some closure and move on in the certain knowledge of the sentence that her abuser will serve in relation to her.
Given that the judge said he would have passed a sentence of not less than 8 years for one particular count alone under modern guidelines then Clifford can consider himself lucky that it's the totality for all counts.
If multiple offenses are committed as part of a single incident, they are sentenced concurrently even if there are multiple victims. If the offenses are committed in clearly separate incidents they can be sentenced consecutively.
Post subject: Re: Historical sexual abuse charges...
Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 12:33 pm
Chris28
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Joined: Oct 19 2003 Posts: 17898 Location: Packed like sardines, in a tin
Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:Is that 10 years for his vile, nasty story peddling with 2 years taken off for the stress of this stupid trial?
I haven't been watching his trial very much. Just the occasional story here and there. But from what I read it was all ridiculous nonsense. Supposedly showing his tiny penis and joking about how small it was while asking women to go to bed with him.
Anyone got an idea of the serious attack he's supposed to have done to get himself 8 years? I just hope he hasn't got 8 years for stupid nonsense like that ^^^^^. But I don't have that much faith in the British justice system so I wouldn't put it past them to give him a ridiculous sentence even without a serious assault.
Read the sentencing remarks linked via the BBC news report
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