Post subject: Re: British justice - Where is consistency and common sense?
Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:04 pm
rover49
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Sheldon wrote:Was one an accident and one malicious and deliberate?
When was the last time you drove off by accident after killing someone. The accident is fair enough, but the rest deserves 20 years. In fact the pair of them deserve much longer sentences.
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Post subject: Re: British justice - Where is consistency and common sense?
Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 2:54 pm
Chris28
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rumpelstiltskin wrote:If we want a more cost effective system, then lets have Mi' Learned Friend et al being available 7 days a week, with a night Court if needed.
Post subject: Re: British justice - Where is consistency and common sense?
Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 5:24 pm
Ferocious Aardvark
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rumpelstiltskin wrote:...If we want a more cost effective system, then lets have Mi' Learned Friend et al being available 7 days a week, with a night Court if needed.
How is spending a load more money "more cost effective"? If a court opens al night then it doesn't just need lawyers, it needs clerks, magistrates, ushers, security, people to deal with the cells area, transport of people in custody; double your lighting and heating bill etc etc.
And what would be the point? The government's long term policies have seen a steady fall in the work of the criminal courts. It's not as if there is a backlog. I don't understand your point at all.
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Post subject: Re: British justice - Where is consistency and common sense?
Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 5:38 pm
Sheldon
Club Owner
Joined: Mar 26 2006 Posts: 22320 Location: York
rover49 wrote:When was the last time you drove off by accident after killing someone. The accident is fair enough, but the rest deserves 20 years. In fact the pair of them deserve much longer sentences.
If you look I asked a question, turns out he got done for dd.
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The Reason wrote:Hi Andy
The Rugby Football League are in the process of reviewing the video that you are referring to. We do not condone behaviour of this nature and have contacted the player’s employer, Hull F.C., who have confirmed that they are dealing with the incident under their club rules.
Post subject: Re: British justice - Where is consistency and common sense?
Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 7:49 pm
rumpelstiltskin
Player Coach
Joined: Jan 21 2008 Posts: 519
Ferocious Aardvark wrote::THINK:
How is spending a load more money "more cost effective"? If a court opens al night then it doesn't just need lawyers, it needs clerks, magistrates, ushers, security, people to deal with the cells area, transport of people in custody; double your lighting and heating bill etc etc.
And what would be the point? The government's long term policies have seen a steady fall in the work of the criminal courts. It's not as if there is a backlog. I don't understand your point at all.
One doesn't need to spend a load more money to increase the efficiency of the system. Justice, be it in any of the Courts can be dispensed 7 days a week, in buildings which the infra structure is already costed and budgeted for. A simple re-write of Contracts would see those Staff, not already working weekends in maintenance etc, put on a rolling week rota of 5 days from 7. If British Industry can adopt and make this system work, why not the legal Profession?
And I would also include the medical profession in the above. Having very expensive medical equipment standing idle at the weekend, simply because a Consultant cannot be arsed, is not acceptable in the 21st Century.
You may well be right, in that there is not a backlog in the Criminal Court at the moment, but not everyone takes such a sanguine view for the future.
Ferocious Aardvark wrote::THINK:
How is spending a load more money "more cost effective"? If a court opens al night then it doesn't just need lawyers, it needs clerks, magistrates, ushers, security, people to deal with the cells area, transport of people in custody; double your lighting and heating bill etc etc.
And what would be the point? The government's long term policies have seen a steady fall in the work of the criminal courts. It's not as if there is a backlog. I don't understand your point at all.
One doesn't need to spend a load more money to increase the efficiency of the system. Justice, be it in any of the Courts can be dispensed 7 days a week, in buildings which the infra structure is already costed and budgeted for. A simple re-write of Contracts would see those Staff, not already working weekends in maintenance etc, put on a rolling week rota of 5 days from 7. If British Industry can adopt and make this system work, why not the legal Profession?
And I would also include the medical profession in the above. Having very expensive medical equipment standing idle at the weekend, simply because a Consultant cannot be arsed, is not acceptable in the 21st Century.
You may well be right, in that there is not a backlog in the Criminal Court at the moment, but not everyone takes such a sanguine view for the future.
Post subject: Re: British justice - Where is consistency and common sense?
Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 8:49 pm
Chris28
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Joined: Oct 19 2003 Posts: 17898 Location: Packed like sardines, in a tin
rumpelstiltskin wrote:And I would also include the medical profession in the above. Having very expensive medical equipment standing idle at the weekend, simply because a Consultant cannot be arsed, is not acceptable in the 21st Century..
Its terrible when all those machines get turned off on Saturday and Sunday isnt it? I'm surprised the mortuaries can cope.
Post subject: Re: British justice - Where is consistency and common sense?
Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 10:19 pm
Sheldon
Club Owner
Joined: Mar 26 2006 Posts: 22320 Location: York
Lazy consultants! I've heard it all now.
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The Reason wrote:Hi Andy
The Rugby Football League are in the process of reviewing the video that you are referring to. We do not condone behaviour of this nature and have contacted the player’s employer, Hull F.C., who have confirmed that they are dealing with the incident under their club rules.
Post subject: Re: British justice - Where is consistency and common sense?
Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 11:53 pm
Him
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Joined: Jun 19 2002 Posts: 14970 Location: Campaigning for a deep attacking line
Yeah we should work the doctors as much as possible. Tiredness isn't an issue here.
Just because one sector of the economy gets away with sh|tting on employees doesn't mean this should be extended everywhere.
A little off topic I know, but I'd advocate us going back to the weekend actually being a time when people can spend time with their families, not a workday.
Post subject: Re: British justice - Where is consistency and common sense?
Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 6:48 am
WIZEB
Player Coach
Joined: Nov 23 2009 Posts: 12749 Location: The Hamptons of East Yorkshire
I blame the pesky meddling EU and their 48 hour working week directive. Doctors used to be able to clock up double them hours on full whack compared to the layabouts coming through in the medical profession nowadays. You just can't get the staff!
Post subject: Re: British justice - Where is consistency and common sense?
Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 6:58 am
JerryChicken
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WIZEB wrote:I blame the pesky meddling EU and their 48 hour working week directive.
Which HM Government opted out of for several sectors of public employee - NHS doctors being one such example.
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