Post subject: Re: Is health and safety big business the further North you
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:21 am
DaveO
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Dally wrote:Actually the whole episode says alot about current British life. The way people are allowed to take personal responsibility in the South, take risks and ultimately drive the UK economy.
To the brink of disaster!
They were pretty keen to take the risks that led to the banking crisis down there in the good old City of London weren't they? Not seen many wanting to take personal responsibility for it mind you.
Quote: Whereas the old driver of the economy in the North has become full of public "servants" fulfilling in some cases nonsense roles.
While you were probably on the receiving end of over zealous H&S concerns you'd have to have had your head in the sand not to realise that this culture has come about not because we all went soft but primarily because there is a fast buck to be made by encouraging a claim culture. No doubt any southern based legal companies ambulance chasing are driving the UK economy as well eh?
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Post subject: Re: Is health and safety big business the further North you
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:01 am
Chris28
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DaveO wrote:To the brink of disaster!
They were pretty keen to take the risks that led to the banking crisis down there in the good old City of London weren't they? Not seen many wanting to take personal responsibility for it mind you.
Drifting well off topic, but that reminds me of the Lloyds "Names" who were happy to take the profits and the kudos, but as soon as things started going pear-shaped, started moaning about mismanagement and threatening to sue their advisers for losses.
Post subject: Re: Is health and safety big business the further North you
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:15 am
DaveO
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Chris28 wrote:Drifting well off topic, but that reminds me of the Lloyds "Names" who were happy to take the profits and the kudos, but as soon as things started going pear-shaped, started moaning about mismanagement and threatening to sue their advisers for losses.
The late Henry Cooper being one.
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Post subject: Re: Is health and safety big business the further North you
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:06 pm
Ferocious Aardvark
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I was watching the east Coast Trains program and a woman dropped her bag from the platform onto the track. Well, to the side of the track, obviously, between the platform and the rail. Apparently it happens a lot.
Now, a medium length stick with a hook would be all you would need to extricate any bag from this parlous position (bags having convenient handles etc to hook, and the platform staff knowing how long till the next train is due) but no; the protocol is to first of all get control, to stop all trains that might be headed for that platform; when confirmed, then the member of staff walks all the way to the end of the platform, down the ramp to the track, walks all the way back along the track, retrieves the offending bag; retraces route, returns along platform, and rings control, who are then able to finally resume train access to the platform.
Going back to the OP, I think the account we have been given is rather coloured. If however you were the railway person given charge of that platform, and part of your job description was to make sure people stayed away from the edge of the platform, and you failed to carry out your job and someone was killed, then like Christopher McGee you could end up in jail for 5 years so I think you are being a tad harsh.
I think your implicit argument that a train platform supervisor should assume that anyone who wants to photograph a train automatically is imbued with immunity from death and disaster, and can automatically be viewed as a person who CAN be allowed right at the very edge of a platform where a train is approaching, to actually be slightly barking.
In this case I don't think the railway staff were acting out of fear of a compensation culture but a reasonable desire to not risk either people being squashed by trains or a few years at Her Majesty's pleasure.
HTH
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Post subject: Re: Is health and safety big business the further North you
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:18 pm
JerryChicken
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There's actually a Youtube film of Dally's photography encounter with the choo-choo - just type "Photographer grazed by a train (Kraftwerk soundtrack)"
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Post subject: Re: Is health and safety big business the further North you
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:51 pm
DaveO
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Mintball wrote:He trod on my foot once, he did.
And then apologised profusely.
I just looked him up on Wikipedia and while I always knew he was a Lloyds Name I didn't know he was a founder member of the Anti-Nazi league. A Lloyds Name yet associated with an organisation with its roots in the socialist workers party!
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