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Back to the OP.
Not an uncommon arrangement in construction these days unfortunately. We get clients coming in for tax returns completing who worked through umbrella companies and have since gone back to working directly through agencies.
They can't make deductions from his salary and call it "employer's NIC", so they'll charge an admin fee instead which covers their E/ers NIC liabilities. They will be recharging the agency for his wages no doubt, so effectively the umbrella company is employing him at zero cost to them. The agency gets him working at a fraction of the hourly rate they would otherwise have had to pay him as a self-employed person.
Frankly, he's going to be better off taking the £18p/h self employed option and having 20% knocked off under CIS, then getting a nice, reasonably priced accountant to do his tax return. I can recommend somewhere that does them for £150+ VAT
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Mintball wrote:So in other words, we're seeing a casualisation of labour – this sort of thing, zero-hours contracts (isn't that a contradiction in terms?) etc.
Brilliant. Clearly the way forward.
But not flexible enough for Cameron, don't forget that the EU is absolutely strangling British businesses with red tape around employment, oh yes. What we need is more poverty and underemployment, so that the masses will fight each other for the chance of a job.
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I lobbed a grenade onto the Hull FC board with This thread
No matter how loyally I may support the club, I cannot accept any company not paying staff in the name of providing experience through an "internship"
I lobbed a grenade onto the Hull FC board with This thread
No matter how loyally I may support the club, I cannot accept any company not paying staff in the name of providing experience through an "internship"
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Mintball wrote:So in other words, we're seeing a casualisation of labour – this sort of thing, zero-hours contracts (isn't that a contradiction in terms?) etc.
Brilliant. Clearly the way forward.
Yep. Agencies are advertising jobs and guaranteeing weeks or months worth of work whilst there's either only a few days work or none at all simply to get people on their books. When there is work they call on the day and get them to go anywhere within around 100 miles. Causing people to get their hopes up and in some cases turn down other work for no reason. Not to mention the impracticalities for many people of not knowing whether you'll be working tomorrow or not or where it's going to be.
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HullFC50 wrote:Yet you "lobbed your grenade" on the assumption that they aren't paying the intern when you have no idea that this is the case
If they were ofering to pay, they could have found a way to include "paid" in the 140 characters
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Advice is what we seek when we already know the answer - but wish we didn't
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cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen"
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan
cod'ead wrote:I lobbed a grenade onto the Hull FC board with This thread
No matter how loyally I may support the club, I cannot accept any company not paying staff in the name of providing experience through an "internship"
There is more evidence of the effectiveness of the IDS Work & Pensions Department of Propaganda dong its usual fine job of convincing the emotionally illiterate that their taxes are being leached by the lazy, feckless and idle underclass, in those comments that your post received - even in Hull !!!
Comments like "Make them work for their benefits" get rolled out every time, "Its only fair, I have to work for them to sit on their arses", then when you rightly point out that the vast majority of the Benefits budget is spent on paying Benefits to those who are currently IN work, you can hear the gasp of disbelief coming through the computer monitor.
I used to wonder how the Nazi Party convinced the German population to march off into the Rhineland in 1936 but watching and listening to those who have been successfully indoctrinated by the IDS Dept of Propaganda then I am no longer so surprised but indeed fearful that one day the IDS Dept of Propaganda will lead the believers off on an invasion of foreign lands of their own making.
cod'ead wrote:I lobbed a grenade onto the Hull FC board with This thread
No matter how loyally I may support the club, I cannot accept any company not paying staff in the name of providing experience through an "internship"
There is more evidence of the effectiveness of the IDS Work & Pensions Department of Propaganda dong its usual fine job of convincing the emotionally illiterate that their taxes are being leached by the lazy, feckless and idle underclass, in those comments that your post received - even in Hull !!!
Comments like "Make them work for their benefits" get rolled out every time, "Its only fair, I have to work for them to sit on their arses", then when you rightly point out that the vast majority of the Benefits budget is spent on paying Benefits to those who are currently IN work, you can hear the gasp of disbelief coming through the computer monitor.
I used to wonder how the Nazi Party convinced the German population to march off into the Rhineland in 1936 but watching and listening to those who have been successfully indoctrinated by the IDS Dept of Propaganda then I am no longer so surprised but indeed fearful that one day the IDS Dept of Propaganda will lead the believers off on an invasion of foreign lands of their own making.
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sally cinnamon wrote:Could the situation in the OP have happened in say Labour Britain 2009?
Or have there been changes in employment law that the Tories brought in that have led to it happening now.
This sounds more like the agency/umbrella company ripping the individual off than a Tory/Labour government. I worked for over 12 months through an umbrella company a few years back (wish I could do so again). And got none of the OP's stated issues. Yes the Umbrella co take a small admin fee, but shouldn't take anything for employers NI, if I remember correctly. He should be pulling in somewhere between 75-82% of his hourly rate as a final salary after deductions.
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