Post subject: Re: Is Labour close to being finished forever?
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:55 pm
Dally
International Chairman
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cod'ead wrote:I would coontend that the majority of the electorate do not see a true picture, rather they see only what is fed to them by the media
Ignoring the Garnetian slip, why do you feel you see a "true" picture when the "majority" do not? I think this is the problem with many socialists - patholgical delusion as to their all seeing superiority (when in fact, the majority see them for what they are - sad).
Post subject: Re: Is Labour close to being finished forever?
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:01 pm
cod'ead
International Chairman
Joined: May 25 2002 Posts: 37704 Location: Zummerzet, where the zoider apples grow
Dally wrote:Ignoring the Garnetian slip, why do you feel you see a "true" picture when the "majority" do not? I think this is the problem with many socialists - patholgical delusion as to their all seeing superiority (when in fact, the majority see them for what they are - sad).
How else do would you explain why so many people think:
25% of the British population are muslim?
50% of the benefits bill is spent on the unemployed?
etc
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Post subject: Re: Is Labour close to being finished forever?
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 3:21 pm
Dally
International Chairman
Joined: Dec 22 2001 Posts: 14845
cod'ead wrote:How else do would you explain why so many people think:
25% of the British population are muslim?
50% of the benefits bill is spent on the unemployed?
etc
Personal experience? If people live in certain areas of B'ham, London, Bradford, etc they may well assume 25% of the population is Muslim as around home they see a higher percentage than that everyday.
"Benefits" as a word, suggests to most people unemployment-type assistance. The problem there is perhaps in the word.
Post subject: Re: Is Labour close to being finished forever?
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 3:51 pm
Mintball
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Dally wrote:... "Benefits" as a word, suggests to most people unemployment-type assistance. The problem there is perhaps in the word.
Or the reporting of it.
As has been mentioned more than once, IDS has been caught out fiddling the figures on benefits, but most of the mainstream media, having reported the fiddled figures as true, have generally ignored anything beyond that.
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Post subject: Re: Is Labour close to being finished forever?
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:37 pm
cod'ead
International Chairman
Joined: May 25 2002 Posts: 37704 Location: Zummerzet, where the zoider apples grow
Dally wrote:Personal experience? If people live in certain areas of B'ham, London, Bradford, etc they may well assume 25% of the population is Muslim as around home they see a higher percentage than that everyday.
"Benefits" as a word, suggests to most people unemployment-type assistance. The problem there is perhaps in the word.
Dally wrote:Personal experience? If people live in certain areas of B'ham, London, Bradford, etc they may well assume 25% of the population is Muslim as around home they see a higher percentage than that everyday.
"Benefits" as a word, suggests to most people unemployment-type assistance. The problem there is perhaps in the word.
Advice is what we seek when we already know the answer - but wish we didn't
I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full-frontal lobotomy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ kirkstaller wrote: "All DNA shows is that we have a common creator."
cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen"
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan
Post subject: Re: Is Labour close to being finished forever?
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:49 pm
rover49
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Joined: Mar 05 2007 Posts: 13190 Location: Hedon (sometimes), sometimes Premier Inn's
Dally wrote:Personal experience? If people live in certain areas of B'ham, London, Bradford, etc they may well assume 25% of the population is Muslim as around home they see a higher percentage than that everyday.
"Benefits" as a word, suggests to most people unemployment-type assistance. The problem there is perhaps in the word.
I read somewhere that Bradford has around 12% Asian. The perception is if you go to certain areas it seems like 90%, I have sites in Manningham and Undercliffe where the vast majority are Asian, but if you go to other areas of Bradford you see very few.
Statistics can be manipulated into whatever the manipulator wants.
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