FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

  

Home The Sin Bin Fracking go-ahead



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 27 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: Fracking go-ahead
PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:42 am 
In The Arms of 13 Angels
In The Arms of 13 Angels
User avatar

Joined: Feb 26 2002
Posts: 14522
Location: Online
Rock God X wrote:... Being able to give Putin the finger seems like a bit of a hollow victory to me.

Just to clarify, I'm meaning more about the security of supply than just the gesture.






Freedom without Socialism is privilege and injustice.
Socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Fracking go-ahead
PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:46 am 
In The Arms of 13 Angels
In The Arms of 13 Angels
User avatar

Joined: Feb 26 2002
Posts: 14522
Location: Online
I saw some official on the TV last night who was offering the simplistic opinion that fracked gas would be cheaper, so prices would go down.
That would only occur if UK fracked gas was produced fast enough and in large enough quantities to affect the world price .... bearing in mind he didn't mention banning exports of it, which would be the only way of insulating it from world prices.






Freedom without Socialism is privilege and injustice.
Socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Fracking go-ahead
PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:46 am 
Player Coach
Player Coach
User avatar

Joined: Oct 21 2006
Posts: 10852
El Barbudo wrote:Just to clarify, I'm meaning more about the security of supply than just the gesture.


Yeah, I got that. I was meaning that the security of supply would be a hollow victory if it destroyed huge swathes of the countryside, polluted the water supply, continued to contribute to climate change, and would still run out eventually anyway.






Christianity: because you're so awful you made God kill himself.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Fracking go-ahead
PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:22 am 
Club Owner
International Star
User avatar

Joined: Nov 02 2003
Posts: 8627
Rock God X wrote:Yeah, I got that. I was meaning that the security of supply would be a hollow victory if it destroyed huge swathes of the countryside, polluted the water supply, continued to contribute to climate change, and would still run out eventually anyway.


Depends what you see as preferable - sitting in the dark, or some environmental disruption.

The Government certainly seems to be taking the view that security of supply is the most important factor, over and above affordability and sustainability - which given the current reliance on supplies from the Middle East and Russia is probably the sensible course of action.






Forever in Rented Accomodation

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Fracking go-ahead
PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:00 am 
In The Arms of 13 Angels
In The Arms of 13 Angels
User avatar

Joined: Feb 26 2002
Posts: 14522
Location: Online
EHW wrote:Depends what you see as preferable - sitting in the dark, or some environmental disruption ..

... and that, in turn, depends on "how much" environmental disruption.
We can learn by experience.
Huge swathes of Northern England have been amazingly re-greened in my lifetime, taking-down slagheaps and landscaping etc, often at local public expense.
Whilst I don't imagine we'll see the wanton dumping of slag that coal mining produced, we may well have serious water table pollution problems and I would want to see remediation properly costed-in and limited to its extent because, as I understand it, the process produces vast amounts of polluted water that has to be disposed of somehow.
Putting it over-simplistically to make the point, I do not want to see the North despoiled once again to keep Piccadilly Circus all lit up.






Freedom without Socialism is privilege and injustice.
Socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Fracking go-ahead
PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:30 am 
International Board Member
First Team Player

Joined: Oct 02 2002
Posts: 1552

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Fracking go-ahead
PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:32 pm 
International Chairman
Player Coach
User avatar

Joined: Dec 22 2001
Posts: 14845
Durham Giant wrote:Possibly the most sensible post ever done by Dally :shock:


Presumably because it fits in with your way of thinking on the issue? Whereas some of my most sensible posts do not seem to.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Fracking go-ahead
PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:32 pm 
International Board Member
International Board Member
User avatar

Joined: Apr 03 2003
Posts: 28186
Location: A world of my own ...
If you get the chance, have a read of this book:

http://www.allisonandbusby.com/book/bushwhacked

and in particular the chapter that deals with methane gas extraction in Minnesota and the damage that has been done to the area's farming and countryside by it.

If you start polluting the UK water table (an inevitability - no method of gas extraction is ever going to be 100% "safe") then it's bye-bye to large swathes of farmland around fracking sites. By the time you realise that the benefit in terms of energy generated is outweighed by the long term damage, it's going to be too late.

That's before we get started on the widespread corruption and mutual back scratching that will be involved in the contracting process.
If you get the chance, have a read of this book:

http://www.allisonandbusby.com/book/bushwhacked

and in particular the chapter that deals with methane gas extraction in Minnesota and the damage that has been done to the area's farming and countryside by it.

If you start polluting the UK water table (an inevitability - no method of gas extraction is ever going to be 100% "safe") then it's bye-bye to large swathes of farmland around fracking sites. By the time you realise that the benefit in terms of energy generated is outweighed by the long term damage, it's going to be too late.

That's before we get started on the widespread corruption and mutual back scratching that will be involved in the contracting process.






"As you travel through life don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things" - George Carlin

//twitter.com/AndyGilder

//fromthewesternterrace.blogspot.co.uk

This week: Four keys to a Rhinos win in the WCC

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Fracking go-ahead
PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 12:02 pm 
In The Arms of 13 Angels
In The Arms of 13 Angels
User avatar

Joined: Feb 26 2002
Posts: 14522
Location: Online
Dally wrote:My issue with it is that in a tiny country like here, with big population centres close by, the environmental and health consequences of contamination of the water table could be catastrophic. Could make Fukushima look like a fart in the playground.

Contamination of the water table must be a major concern but how many large urban populations in the North depend on underground aquifers for their water?
I don't actually know but my guess would be that most get their water from reservoirs on higher ground e.g. Thirlmere in Cumbria supplies a lot to Manchester, Kielder to the NorthWest etc etc.
Happy to be corrected if someone here can tell us.

[EDIT] I'm wrong, a quick google tells me that e.g. in Yorkshire, the flatter areas in the East Riding Riding do use an awful lot of groundwater ... plus there is the effect of the grid which moves water around the region.[/EDIT]

As I see it at the moment, the greatest water pollution threat is a) To natural water courses such as rivers and springs etc and everything that lives in them ... and b) To farms etc that use water from below ground to irrigate crops or provide drinking water for herds and flocks.
That's in addition to the problems caused by taking water from whatever source to facilitate the fracking.
Considering the erratic droughting and flooding we see nowadays, it would seem that we need the water we have, do we really have that much to spare?
Again, happy to be corrected.






Freedom without Socialism is privilege and injustice.
Socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Fracking go-ahead
PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 12:30 pm 
All Time Great
All Time Great
User avatar

Joined: May 10 2002
Posts: 47951
Location: Die Metropole
Andy Gilder wrote:... If you start polluting the UK water table (an inevitability - no method of gas extraction is ever going to be 100% "safe") then it's bye-bye to large swathes of farmland around fracking sites ...


No biggy. We can import all the food we need. That's what 'food security' means.

Isn't it?






"You are working for Satan." Kirkstaller

"Dare to know!" Immanuel Kant

"Do not take life too seriously. You will never get out of it alive" Elbert Hubbard

"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." Oscar Wilde

The Voluptuous Manifesto – thoughts on all sorts of stuff.

Top
   
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 27 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next





It is currently Fri Nov 29, 2024 11:35 am


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 89 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  


It is currently Fri Nov 29, 2024 11:35 am
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
2m
Cornwall has a new owner
CM Punk
2
11m
Transfer Talk V5
LeedsLurch
543
27m
Film game
Boss Hog
5832
48m
Mike Cooper podcast
Alffi_7
7
56m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40828
Recent
2025 Season tickets
BarnsleyGull
218
Recent
Co-Captains for 2025
christopher
14
Recent
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
63293
Recent
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
leeds owl
2626
Recent
Ground Improvements
vastman
227
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
35s
Co-Captains for 2025
christopher
14
45s
Ground Improvements
vastman
227
51s
Getting a new side to gel
Highlander
8
1m
2025 Kit
bowlinboy
13
2m
Rumours thread
Khlav Kalash
2516
3m
2025 Shirt
CM Punk
25
7m
Shirt reveal coming soon
Shifty Cat
47
8m
Squad numbers
Warrior Wing
8
9m
Quiz night
H.G.S.A
1
10m
Salary Cap Changes Blocked - 11 votes to 1
Father Ted
18
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
England Women Las Vegas train-on squad
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Quiz night
H.G.S.A
1
TODAY
Co-Captains for 2025
christopher
14
TODAY
Cornwall has a new owner
CM Punk
2
TODAY
Callum Shaw
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Squad Numbers
phe13
4
TODAY
Rhinos squad numbers
Rixy
1
TODAY
Squad numbers
Warrior Wing
8
TODAY
Mat Crowther pre season update
Dunkirk Spir
1
TODAY
Mike Cooper podcast
Alffi_7
7
TODAY
Shirt reveal coming soon
Shifty Cat
47
TODAY
Opening Championship and League One Fixtures for 2025 Released
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
RLFANS Match Centre
Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds - Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield - Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Fri 28th Feb
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Hull FC
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Salford
SL
20:00
Leigh-Catalans
Sat 1st Mar
SL
14:30
Wakefield - St.Helens
SL
21:30
Wigan-Warrington
Sun 2nd Mar
SL
15:00
Leeds-Castleford
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
2m
Cornwall has a new owner
CM Punk
2
11m
Transfer Talk V5
LeedsLurch
543
27m
Film game
Boss Hog
5832
48m
Mike Cooper podcast
Alffi_7
7
56m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40828
Recent
2025 Season tickets
BarnsleyGull
218
Recent
Co-Captains for 2025
christopher
14
Recent
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
63293
Recent
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
leeds owl
2626
Recent
Ground Improvements
vastman
227
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
35s
Co-Captains for 2025
christopher
14
45s
Ground Improvements
vastman
227
51s
Getting a new side to gel
Highlander
8
1m
2025 Kit
bowlinboy
13
2m
Rumours thread
Khlav Kalash
2516
3m
2025 Shirt
CM Punk
25
7m
Shirt reveal coming soon
Shifty Cat
47
8m
Squad numbers
Warrior Wing
8
9m
Quiz night
H.G.S.A
1
10m
Salary Cap Changes Blocked - 11 votes to 1
Father Ted
18
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
England Women Las Vegas train-on squad
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Quiz night
H.G.S.A
1
TODAY
Co-Captains for 2025
christopher
14
TODAY
Cornwall has a new owner
CM Punk
2
TODAY
Callum Shaw
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Squad Numbers
phe13
4
TODAY
Rhinos squad numbers
Rixy
1
TODAY
Squad numbers
Warrior Wing
8
TODAY
Mat Crowther pre season update
Dunkirk Spir
1
TODAY
Mike Cooper podcast
Alffi_7
7
TODAY
Shirt reveal coming soon
Shifty Cat
47
TODAY
Opening Championship and League One Fixtures for 2025 Released
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!












.