That's the Dutch for you!

But it is easy to look at these things in a moralistic way with the benefit of hindsight. But when the white settlers arrived the black tribal populations were in various phases of development that Europeans had been through, in some cases, thousands of years beforehand - stoneage upwards. The minority white settlers built properity from scratch and could not safely have offered democracy to the indigenous population until their level of cultaural development (for want of a better term) was suffcient. At what point in SA's history that was, I do not know. But given, the "land of the free" (USA) treated its black population represensibly until just a few years before apartheid collapsed with far less "reason" maybe the timing was not too far wrong?

If you want an example of what can go wrong by giving majority rule too early, look at Zimbabwe. A once prosperous country brought to its knees.

PS EVERY single black African I spoke to in Zimbabwe and Zambia in the last years of apartheid said they wanted to go to live in SA because their lives would be much better there.

Sometimes I think you've reached the depths of your unpleasantness, and then you go and surprise me all over again.

congratulations on you 10000th post rock god, and how suitable it is!

If you add in the ones from the banned usernames, the actual figure is much higher. Misspent youth, innit.

But you hit the magic X, Rock God, and seemed to grow up in an instant.

Had to happen eventually. I still find farts hilarious though, and I'm not budging on that.

Yeah, well let's not go there.

I'm a middle-aged girlie ...

and I love farts.

Do you prefer smelling your own or tb's?

Aw, no, stop it.