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El Barbudo wrote: just can't stomach the fact that their love for each other might be just as valid as yours.
That's the crux of it in my view. The opponents of gay rights just think that "being gay" is merely a not entirely unsatisfying phase during their boarding school years, and "love" can only happen between a man and a woman.
The reason Tory backbenchers are against gay marriage could be because it'd make it more difficult to find a casual gay partner when they fancy a bit away from the wife.
JerryChicken wrote:Lord Tebbit misses the point, the VERY BIG point that its not possible to legally marry your own blood relative, whether that be your children or your siblings.
I don't think he does. Homosexuality was illegal until quite recently, now alot of people think gay marriage is acceptable. If you start to erode the taboos that hold society together then you end up with all sorts of degradation that ultimately causes society to break down. Societies need discipline and rules to function properly and sustain themselves. Hedonism leads to decline. Look at the succesful soceties - China, Japan, USA, Germany, UK of the past - all built on discipline / morality.
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Glad to see our local MP, Peter Lilley voted against. He did say he was against it a house party a couple of years ago. I was very tempted to say at the time "how is Michael?" but, unlike me, I refrained. (I should point out that I understand that at the time those rumours circulated - many moons ago - they were flatly denied).
Glad to see our local MP, Peter Lilley voted against. He did say he was against it a house party a couple of years ago. I was very tempted to say at the time "how is Michael?" but, unlike me, I refrained. (I should point out that I understand that at the time those rumours circulated - many moons ago - they were flatly denied).
Dally wrote:I don't think he does. Homosexuality was illegal until quite recently, now alot of people think gay marriage is acceptable. If you start to erode the taboos that hold society together then you end up with all sorts of degradation that ultimately causes society to break down. Societies need discipline and rules to function properly and sustain themselves. Hedonism leads to decline. Look at the succesful soceties - China, Japan, USA, Germany, UK of the past - all built on discipline / morality.
Lets just pause for a moment and consider your paragraph (above), I have a couple of questions for you ...
1. Is the viewpoint offered in the paragraph your own personal point of view or are you just playing devils advocate ?
2. Are you seriously suggesting that homosexuality is degrading, a taboo, hedonistic, immoral, and should still be illegal ?
We need to know the answers to those two questions, particularly the first, before discussing the issues.
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Dally wrote:I don't think he does. Homosexuality was illegal until quite recently, now alot of people think gay marriage is acceptable. If you start to erode the taboos that hold society together then you end up with all sorts of degradation that ultimately causes society to break down. Societies need discipline and rules to function properly and sustain themselves. Hedonism leads to decline. Look at the succesful soceties - China, Japan, USA, Germany, UK of the past - all built on discipline / morality.
..................and hetrosexuals guarantee this do they. Don't you think that certain 'taboos' as you call them need to be put in the bin of history along with such practices as drowning women to check if they are witches. A lot of problems we have in this country are because of the repression we have seen over the centuries, such as gays being force into 'normal' lifestyles through fear of persecution. I doubt the fabric of our society can crash any lower at this moment in time, but recognising two peoples right to equal status would not be a catalyst even if it could get lower.
If two gay men or two lesbians feel the need to marry, why the hell should they be prevented, all this 'man & women' only bollox is something we should have left in the 19th century, not something we should drag into the 21st with us.
Your probably worried about the value of your house dropping should any of the 'deviants' move in next door
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Mintball wrote:Well hopefully he's not so upset by all this gay marriage stuff that he's likely to pop into a crowded church and shoot himself dead as a statement.
The only statement that buffoon made was "I am mentally ill".
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