Post subject: Re: Ding Dong the wicked witch is dead...
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:04 pm
SmokeyTA
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Adeybull wrote:Indeed.
Except I see numerous people blaming Thatcher for things that happened under, and were the responsibility of subsequent (or sometimes earlier) governments. I wonder how many of those people have "commented" (I use that term loosely) based on direct personal experience of that era - and the dreadful few years before then - and how many are just repeating what they have been told or choose to believe?
And with that, I am definitely out of here again, indefinitely, before I am physically sick.
Thatcher was an ideologue. We havent really had a different ideology since her. Rightly, she is not only criticised (and praised) for her actions, but also the continuation of the ideology she sold.
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Post subject: Re: Ding Dong the wicked witch is dead...
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:06 pm
JerryChicken
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Durham Giant wrote:David Hopper, general secretary of the Durham Miners' Association, said her death was a "great day" for coal miners. The ex-miner, who turned 70 today, spent all of his working life at Wearmouth Colliery.
It closed 20 years ago so presumably and according to that comment he retired at 50 ?
Not a bad old screw if you can get away with it - such a shame that as president of the DMA he turned a blind eye, or maybe even encouraged the in-fighting between his members especially as the Northumberland pits closed during and immediately after the strike and the NCB tried to amalgamate those left of the workforce who wanted to continue in the industry by transporting them to the Durham pits on a daily basis where they were met with intimidation, ignorance and some quite disgusting acts of petty discrimination designed to ward off their "brothers" who dared to come and try and amalgamate into "their" pit (defecating in a persons bait box being a common practice).
Nope, I'm afraid that we were well rid of those types of industrial practices.
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Post subject: Re: Ding Dong the wicked witch is dead...
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:08 pm
McClennan
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SaintsFan wrote:Labour had plenty of time to reverse the policy. They didn't and therefore, given that they were in power for a long period subsequent to Thatcher's dismissal from office, the responsibility is theirs. And if you voted for the Labour Party during their time in office, the responsibility is also yours.
Political parties rarely reverse legislation that previous governments have put in.
Post subject: Re: Ding Dong the wicked witch is dead...
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:11 pm
Rock God X
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SaintsFan wrote:Labour had plenty of time to reverse the policy. They didn't and therefore, given that they were in power for a long period subsequent to Thatcher's dismissal from office, the responsibility is theirs. And if you voted for the Labour Party during their time in office, the responsibility is also yours.
That Labour didn't reverse the policy does not absolve Thatcher of all blame. And that there are only two parties with a realistic shout of securing a parliamentary majority - neither of whom would have reversed the policy - does not mean that the electorate are responsible for the policy or the problems it has caused.
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Post subject: Re: Ding Dong the wicked witch is dead...
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:11 pm
McClennan
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Joined: Dec 22 2001 Posts: 27757 Location: In rocket surgery
Adeybull wrote:I wonder how many of those people have "commented" (I use that term loosely) based on direct personal experience of that era - and the dreadful few years before then - and how many are just repeating what they have been told or choose to believe?
So to comment on domestic violence, rape, torture, murder etc, you have to have personal experience? Give over.
Post subject: Re: Ding Dong the wicked witch is dead...
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:12 pm
Durham Giant
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JerryChicken wrote:It closed 20 years ago so presumably and according to that comment he retired at 50 ?
Not a bad old screw if you can get away with it - such a shame that as president of the DMA he turned a blind eye, or maybe even encouraged the in-fighting between his members especially as the Northumberland pits closed during and immediately after the strike and the NCB tried to amalgamate those left of the workforce who wanted to continue in the industry by transporting them to the Durham pits on a daily basis where they were met with intimidation, ignorance and some quite disgusting acts of petty discrimination designed to ward off their "brothers" who dared to come and try and amalgamate into "their" pit (defecating in a persons bait box being a common practice).
Nope, I'm afraid that we were well rid of those types of industrial practices.
Cannot comment on your example but i do know that after the strike the NCB were quite happy to foster conflicts between workers. They often tried to use workers from different p[its to undermine workers who were already employed. I have no doubt that there were petty acts but that is what happens when the unions lost and workers became indavidualised and atomised and scared for their own livelihods.
Moving scabs to different pits and then sacking those who would not work with them.
If shitting in a scabs bait box was all that happened to them they were lucky
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