El Barbudo wrote:During my (long) working life I have contributed month-in, month-out to the welfare system without complaint despite the fact that my contributions have way, way, exceeded what I have taken out. Why? ... because I like to think of our society at large and myself in particular as being slightly civilised and maybe a bit compassionate towards people made redundant or unemployed or disabled or needy or old and frail etc etc. It's called humanity.
The massive majority of people are happy, proud even, to work for their living and I am aware of the sheer god-awful hardship that can occur when people don't have a job any more, especially the low paid who had no chance to save because their wages were so low there was little margin for saving.
Have you ever heard the phrase "There but for fortune go you or I" ? Have you never wondered what it must be like? Or do you simply not care?
Oh, and by the way ... it's not just benefits recipients who are "kicking-off", people like me are "kicking off" too, can't you read the threads on which you post? One last thing, most benefits recipients (see above) are NOT doing diddly-squat, most benefits recipients are in work. So, ask yourself, why do those in work need benefits? Go on, do your brain a favour and exercise it.
None of this detracts from the case that the welfare state is in need of reform.
Your post seems to suggest that I disagree with the whole idea of a welfare state when this is not the case.
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Ajw71 wrote:None of this detracts from the case that the welfare state is in need of reform.
Your post seems to suggest that I disagree with the whole idea of a welfare state when this is not the case.
Go on then.
What is your idea of how a welfare state should operate?
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What is your idea of how a welfare state should operate?
Fair with incentives to 'get on'. It shouldn't trap people so that they are better off on benefits than having a job. It should also be simple and less complicated.
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Standee wrote:a lot of envy on here again
Not that old fanny again.
Any examples of your perpetual "envy" charge?
The older I get, the better I was
Advice is what we seek when we already know the answer - but wish we didn't
I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full-frontal lobotomy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ kirkstaller wrote: "All DNA shows is that we have a common creator."
cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen"
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan
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Ajw71 wrote:Fair with incentives to 'get on'. It shouldn't trap people so that they are better off on benefits than having a job. It should also be simple and less complicated.
Well that sounds like a real plan
The older I get, the better I was
Advice is what we seek when we already know the answer - but wish we didn't
I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full-frontal lobotomy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ kirkstaller wrote: "All DNA shows is that we have a common creator."
cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen"
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan
Can't fault the Tories on consistency when it comes to hammering the poor. They are talking about cutting credits to people on low earnings where they consider they haven't made sufficient effort to earn more! Pretty difficult when they allow employers like Tesco to sign people on part-time 24 hour contracts which oblige them to be on call full time 6 days a week. If they are going to demonise people for not having 2 or 3 jobs at least they should prevent these great "job creators" like Tesco from issuing such contracts.
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cod'ead wrote:Go on then.
What is your idea of how a welfare state should operate?
Maybe if the system wasn't so open to abuse the likes of Philpott might have actually gone out and got a job rather than have a life on benefits based on breeding increasing number of off spring?
Your job is to say to yourself on a job interview does the hiring manager likes me or not. If you aren't a particular manager's cup of tea, you haven't failed -- you've dodged a bullet.
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Sal Paradise wrote:Maybe if the system wasn't so open to abuse the likes of Philpott might have actually gone out and got a job rather than have a life on benefits based on breeding increasing number of off spring?
You appear to have drifted into the wrong thread
The older I get, the better I was
Advice is what we seek when we already know the answer - but wish we didn't
I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full-frontal lobotomy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ kirkstaller wrote: "All DNA shows is that we have a common creator."
cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen"
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan
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