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 Post subject: Re: RIP Hugo Chavez
PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 6:34 am 
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Cronus wrote:Bolivarianism in action.

He might be a power-hungry oil billionaire with a questionable human rights record, but he's OUR power-hungry oil billionaire with a questionable human rights record.


Isn't that why these guys get into this - power and ultimately access to huge amounts of money? Sadaam, Mugabe, Qaddafi, Putin not to mention the huge list in Africa containing the likes of Hassan Al-Bashir, Biya, Obiang etc
Cronus wrote:Bolivarianism in action.

He might be a power-hungry oil billionaire with a questionable human rights record, but he's OUR power-hungry oil billionaire with a questionable human rights record.


Isn't that why these guys get into this - power and ultimately access to huge amounts of money? Sadaam, Mugabe, Qaddafi, Putin not to mention the huge list in Africa containing the likes of Hassan Al-Bashir, Biya, Obiang etc






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Sal Paradise wrote:Isn't that why these guys get into this - power and ultimately access to huge amounts of money? Sadaam, Mugabe, Qaddafi, Putin not to mention the huge list in Africa containing the likes of Hassan Al-Bashir, Biya, Obiang etc


But that wealth can trickle down to the poor - would Chavez have been able to make such a big impact on poverty reduction if he had not been of such high net worth.

I know it might be populist to hate people for their wealth but if you drive the wealthy overseas they simply take their wealth with them.






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sally cinnamon wrote:But that wealth can trickle down to the poor - would Chavez have been able to make such a big impact on poverty reduction if he had not been of such high net worth.

I know it might be populist to hate people for their wealth but if you drive the wealthy overseas they simply take their wealth with them.


The point is how much of the wealth is stolen from the very people who vote them in?






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He was a decent lad with poor taste in friends. Just that instead of his being ones that hang around bus shelters drinking cider, his were maniacal despots.






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Andy Gilder wrote:He was a decent lad with poor taste in friends. Just that instead of his being ones that hang around bus shelters drinking cider, his were maniacal despots.

Good job our elected leaders would never dream of cosying up to maniacal despots, sell arms to them, take holidays in their beach-side residences, side with them over the ECHR etc etc and so on






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John_D wrote:Good job our elected leaders would never dream of cosying up to maniacal despots, sell arms to them, take holidays in their beach-side residences, side with them over the ECHR etc etc and so on


I don't think anyone is trying to glorify any of the idiots we have running our major parties






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Sal Paradise wrote:I don't think anyone is trying to glorify any of the idiots we have running our major parties

Granted, but still worth mentioning.






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Sal Paradise wrote:The point is how much of the wealth is stolen from the very people who vote them in?

Given that huge numbers of those who voted for Chavez were lifted out of poverty and gained free healthcare and education for the first time, I wouldn’t say he stole from them, would you?

On the human rights front, I’d put him more in the George W Bush category than the Saddam or Mugabe category.

Compared with say, Pinochet, he should be beatified.






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Does all this money chasing make anyone really happy. A quote from the King of Bhutan when asked why his country lagged so far behind the developed world was 'gross domestic happiness is more important than gross domestic product'


Does all this money chasing make anyone really happy. A quote from the King of Bhutan when asked why his country lagged so far behind the developed world was 'gross domestic happiness is more important than gross domestic product'






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