Dally wrote:The thread has drifted away from gay marriage and I got bored with that days ago. I have no intention of reinvorating it.
OK, we'll put that down to "No, you can't enumerate the minorities you were moaning about". Just for future reference, you understand, for when you make wild statements with no substance again.
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The Reason wrote:Hi Andy
The Rugby Football League are in the process of reviewing the video that you are referring to. We do not condone behaviour of this nature and have contacted the player’s employer, Hull F.C., who have confirmed that they are dealing with the incident under their club rules.
Sheldon wrote:If Jesus is God why did he address himself as father?
Because the notion of the Trinity wasn't in his head at the time. It ws invented later ... despite all the the dubious "inferences" various people claim to derive from the New Testament.
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"Those individuals who are post-gay or ex-gay are a sexual minority suffering discrimination because they are outside the purportedly ‘normative’ homosexual paradigm. It was a mistake to assume these views we were expressing came from entrenched homophobia, and failed to recognise that people who want to walk away from their homosexual feelings are a group in their own right.”
As I argued from the outset - where do you draw the line? Who decides which minorities are OK and eligble to claim discrimination from all corners and which are not and are fair game for discrimination by those who are anti-discrimination?
Additionally, when people use freedom of speech to promote their views but then seek to deny it to others we are getting into dangerous territory.
"Those individuals who are post-gay or ex-gay are a sexual minority suffering discrimination because they are outside the purportedly ‘normative’ homosexual paradigm. It was a mistake to assume these views we were expressing came from entrenched homophobia, and failed to recognise that people who want to walk away from their homosexual feelings are a group in their own right.”
As I argued from the outset - where do you draw the line? Who decides which minorities are OK and eligble to claim discrimination from all corners and which are not and are fair game for discrimination by those who are anti-discrimination?
Additionally, when people use freedom of speech to promote their views but then seek to deny it to others we are getting into dangerous territory.
"Those individuals who are post-gay or ex-gay are a sexual minority suffering discrimination because they are outside the purportedly ‘normative’ homosexual paradigm. It was a mistake to assume these views we were expressing came from entrenched homophobia, and failed to recognise that people who want to walk away from their homosexual feelings are a group in their own right.”
As I argued from the outset - where do you draw the line? Who decides which minorities are OK and eligble to claim discrimination from all corners and which are not and are fair game for discrimination by those who are anti-discrimination?...
Who is he saying is being discriminated against ... and by whom? Sounds like a load of waffle to me.
Dally wrote:...Additionally, when people use freedom of speech to promote their views but then seek to deny it to others we are getting into dangerous territory.
Well, I AM surprised, that's possibly a fair point.
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El Barbudo wrote:Well, I AM surprised, that's possibly a fair point.
Except, in this instance, it's not. Anyone who knows anything about the subject - that is, actual doctors and scientists - have repeatedly discredited the idea of 'curing' homosexuality. Indeed, the very idea that it's something that actually requires a 'cure' is both ridiculous and offensive.
So, it's not a freedom of speech issue at all. It's about people promoting a 'therapy' that is not only likely to be psychologically harmful, but that is for a 'condition' that does not require 'therapy' at all. Not only should they not be allowed to advertise such a 'therapy', it should be banned altogether.
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El Barbudo wrote:... Well, I AM surprised, that's possibly a fair point.
See Rock God's comments and ...
Religious fundamentalists themselves should perhaps remember not to attack attack freedom of speech by rioting to close down plays, issuing death threats over Jerry Springer: The Opera, stopping poetry readings, burning books and issuing more death threats – and oh so many more such delights.
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"Those individuals who are post-gay or ex-gay are a sexual minority suffering discrimination because they are outside the purportedly ‘normative’ homosexual paradigm. It was a mistake to assume these views we were expressing came from entrenched homophobia, and failed to recognise that people who want to walk away from their homosexual feelings are a group in their own right.”
As I argued from the outset - where do you draw the line? Who decides which minorities are OK and eligble to claim discrimination from all corners and which are not and are fair game for discrimination by those who are anti-discrimination?
It's not about minorities, you dolt. It's about peddling the idea that, not only is homosexuality a condition that requires a 'cure', but that they have the necessary expertise to deliver that cure. Homosexuality is a natural part of human variation. They might as well be advertising a 'cure' for black skin or ginger hair.
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