FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

  

Home The Sin Bin Workfare judged illegal



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 362 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24 ... 37  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: Workfare judged illegal
PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:14 am 
Moderator
Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Dec 22 2001
Posts: 14395
Location: Chester
TrinityIHC wrote:I agree that the woman shouldn't be publicly named and shamed, but the taxpayer shouldn't be expected to fork out what is a significant sum of money each year because she can't keep her legs closed.


So the kids should starve to death or be flung out on the streets? What do you suggest is done with the kids?

Who else other than the taxpayer is going to pay for their welfare if she can't? "...the taxpayer shouldn't be expected to fork out what is a significant sum of money each year because she can't keep her legs closed." is glib nonsense.

Some very good friends of ours adopted four siblings and I know there are at least two further children from the same mother. Our friends were looking to adopt as they could not have kids themselves and were delighted to be offered two children and went ahead. The women unfortunately kept producing and while they were not initially very keen on taking another from the production line they did when no. 3 popped out and did the same again when no. 4 arrived. They were asked to do it by social services and did so to keep the siblings together.

The mother was deemed unfit and not cable of looking after the children and so they ended up on the adoption register as soon as they were born.

Now the cost of doing all this is NOT cheap. The point is whichever way you handle it there are going to be rare occasions where some woman for all sorts of reasons end up with a large number of children and if they can't look after them then the rest of society has no option but to do so. People just need to get over it, accept it doesn't happen very often and move on.






Last league derby at Central Park 5/9/1999: Wigan 28 St. Helens 20
Last league derby at Knowsley Road 2/4/2010: St. Helens 10 Wigan 18

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Workfare judged illegal
PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:17 am 
International Board Member
Player Coach
User avatar

Joined: Jun 19 2002
Posts: 14970
Location: Campaigning for a deep attacking line
Bring back the workhouses.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Workfare judged illegal
PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:21 am 
In The Arms of 13 Angels
In The Arms of 13 Angels
User avatar

Joined: Feb 26 2002
Posts: 14522
Location: Online
Him wrote:Bring back the workhouses.

Blimey mate, edit that before Iain Duncan Smith sees it.






Freedom without Socialism is privilege and injustice.
Socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Workfare judged illegal
PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:33 am 
International Board Member
Club Captain
User avatar

Joined: Jun 28 2002
Posts: 4961
Location: Outside your remit
El Barbudo wrote:To put it in perspective, how many families keep a dog?
Multiply that size of family up to an eleven-kid family and you get to the size of a pony quite quickly.
Not that I'm excusing it, if I was unemployed, I wouldn't have a pet of any kind ... just let's keep things in perspective.

As for the voucher idea ... illegal or not, every estate would soon have a local voucher dealer.


The only reason it upscales like you suggest is that she is spending money intended for her children on keeping livestock. Shouldnt be happening IMO.






There's Only One F in Wakefield

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Workfare judged illegal
PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:38 am 
In The Arms of 13 Angels
In The Arms of 13 Angels
User avatar

Joined: Feb 26 2002
Posts: 14522
Location: Online
TrinityIHC wrote:The only reason it upscales like you suggest is that she is spending money intended for her children on keeping livestock. Shouldnt be happening IMO.

Sure, we are agreed on that bit.
It's "what to do" that is the issue.






Freedom without Socialism is privilege and injustice.
Socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Workfare judged illegal
PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:46 am 
Player Coach
Player Coach
User avatar

Joined: Oct 21 2006
Posts: 10852
This thread seemed as good a place as any to put this.

I love Mark Steel, me.
This thread seemed as good a place as any to put this.

I love Mark Steel, me.






Christianity: because you're so awful you made God kill himself.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Workfare judged illegal
PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:47 am 
Player Coach
International Star
User avatar

Joined: Feb 09 2009
Posts: 5032
TrinityIHC wrote:The only reason it upscales like you suggest is that she is spending money intended for her children on keeping livestock. Shouldnt be happening IMO.



Wonder if keeping a horse costs more than say Sky TV for a month, would not make such a good story if it said she spent money on that (plus not sure The Sun would see that as a bad way of spending her money).

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Workfare judged illegal
PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:48 am 
Player Coach
International Star
User avatar

Joined: Feb 09 2009
Posts: 5032
Rock God X wrote:This thread seemed as good a place as any to put this.

I love Mark Steel, me.



Quality
Rock God X wrote:This thread seemed as good a place as any to put this.

I love Mark Steel, me.



Quality

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Workfare judged illegal
PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:50 am 
International Board Member
Club Captain
User avatar

Joined: Jun 28 2002
Posts: 4961
Location: Outside your remit
El Barbudo wrote:Sure, we are agreed on that bit.
It's "what to do" that is the issue.


I'd cut her benefits, but I'm not in charge - the "what to do" is what we our elected representatives are meant to work out.






There's Only One F in Wakefield

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Workfare judged illegal
PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:57 am 
Player Coach
International Star
User avatar

Joined: Feb 09 2009
Posts: 5032
TrinityIHC wrote:I'd cut her benefits, but I'm not in charge - the "what to do" is what we our elected representatives are meant to work out.


To be honest if she had not sold her story we would not know and to all intents and purposes nor would the government the problem is each case is not judged on its merits and sweeping cuts accross the board are the only thing that will make any difference and she might well be ok after them, someone getting far less may not.

Top
   
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 362 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24 ... 37  Next





It is currently Sat Dec 07, 2024 6:12 pm


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 178 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  


It is currently Sat Dec 07, 2024 6:12 pm
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
14m
Film game
Boss Hog
6065
50m
Sports Personality of the Year
Wires71
13
57m
2025 Recruitment
Pyrah123
261
Recent
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
chapylad
2655
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
53s
Pre Season - 2025
The games af
227
1m
Transfer Talk V5
chapylad
567
1m
2025 Kit
Bully_Boxer
28
1m
Sports Personality of the Year
Wires71
13
1m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
chapylad
2655
1m
Shirt reveal coming soon
KevW60349
71
2m
Jerome Luai
The Whiffy K
22
2m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
The Dentist
4086
3m
Christmas Party Night B Vue tonight cancelled
Dunkirk Spir
3
3m
2025 Recruitment
Pyrah123
261
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Christmas Party Night B Vue tonight cancelled
Dunkirk Spir
3
TODAY
Doug Laughton
batleyrhino
10
TODAY
Sports Personality of the Year
Wires71
13
TODAY
Forget-me-not Childrens hospice
H.G.S.A
1
TODAY
All time academy produced Super league era side
MjM
3
TODAY
Wigan warriors 2022 away shirt
WWste
4
TODAY
Captains Challenge for Televised Games in 2025
TonyM19
4
TODAY
Captains Challenge to be introduced in 2025
Zig
8
TODAY
Rule Changes
Rugby Raider
5
TODAY
Player Contracts
Trojan Horse
6
TODAY
Fans Forum 12 Dec 11th
Dunkirk Spir
3
TODAY
Laurie Daley returns as NSW origin coach
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
2025 Challenge Cup
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Challenge Cup
BigTime
6
TODAY
Friendlies
Deadcowboys1
3
TODAY
Sam Luckley likely to miss the beginning of new season
Huddersfield
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
RLFANS Match Centre
Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds - Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield - Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Fri 28th Feb
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Hull FC
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Salford
SL
20:00
Leigh-Catalans
Sat 1st Mar
SL
14:30
Wakefield - St.Helens
SL
21:30
Wigan-Warrington
Sun 2nd Mar
SL
15:00
Leeds-Castleford
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
14m
Film game
Boss Hog
6065
50m
Sports Personality of the Year
Wires71
13
57m
2025 Recruitment
Pyrah123
261
Recent
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
chapylad
2655
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
53s
Pre Season - 2025
The games af
227
1m
Transfer Talk V5
chapylad
567
1m
2025 Kit
Bully_Boxer
28
1m
Sports Personality of the Year
Wires71
13
1m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
chapylad
2655
1m
Shirt reveal coming soon
KevW60349
71
2m
Jerome Luai
The Whiffy K
22
2m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
The Dentist
4086
3m
Christmas Party Night B Vue tonight cancelled
Dunkirk Spir
3
3m
2025 Recruitment
Pyrah123
261
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Christmas Party Night B Vue tonight cancelled
Dunkirk Spir
3
TODAY
Doug Laughton
batleyrhino
10
TODAY
Sports Personality of the Year
Wires71
13
TODAY
Forget-me-not Childrens hospice
H.G.S.A
1
TODAY
All time academy produced Super league era side
MjM
3
TODAY
Wigan warriors 2022 away shirt
WWste
4
TODAY
Captains Challenge for Televised Games in 2025
TonyM19
4
TODAY
Captains Challenge to be introduced in 2025
Zig
8
TODAY
Rule Changes
Rugby Raider
5
TODAY
Player Contracts
Trojan Horse
6
TODAY
Fans Forum 12 Dec 11th
Dunkirk Spir
3
TODAY
Laurie Daley returns as NSW origin coach
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
2025 Challenge Cup
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Challenge Cup
BigTime
6
TODAY
Friendlies
Deadcowboys1
3
TODAY
Sam Luckley likely to miss the beginning of new season
Huddersfield
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!












.