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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:12 am 
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DaveO wrote: ... We took on a couple of graduates last year, both mature students. I interviewed both ...

I'm betting that you could tell from the way they interviewed whether they really wanted to work or not.






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These smoking, drunk, drug taking, sky watching, iphone pounding, on line, up at 3pm, bad backed, depressed baby making machine scumbags should be put in workhouses and fed in a soup kitchen. Anything else is a luxury we cannot afford.

The unemployed should have night-time curfew and restricted access to non-unemployed residential/recreational areas would be prudent, I do not want to find the unemployed going through my bins, robbing my home, or molesting my dog in the park.

Those in position should be allowed to take on, or ‘foster’ if you like, the longer term unemployed, the government sub-contracting their needs out to the privet sector. A place to sleep – a loft or out-building, food and water - leftovers from last night’s dinner party and an outside tap, and the all important work training/experience - cooking, cleaning, child care, estate/grounds/house maintenance, caddying, even further sub-contracting out to a farm or a factory for more training (all would help someone with the skills needed to get back into work).

And when back in work they can start to pay back their board and loggings to the state and/or their ‘fosterer’ along with the training cost, expenses, appropriate administration fees, etc.






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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:26 pm 
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El Barbudo wrote:I'm betting that you could tell from the way they interviewed whether they really wanted to work or not.


Yes and we didn't just interview the two who got the jobs which might sound like stating the obvious but the decisions were made on their qualifications and other factors. One of them had done a small IT project as part of a work placement in his degree and that was discussed at length. Had he done two weeks in Poundland it wouldn't have been.

When I did my degree many moons ago I did a year in industry which was unusual from a traditional Uni (as opposed to a Poly) back then but it was the best thing I ever did. I am convinced I got a better degree as a result and while the employment marketplace was better then I was offered four different jobs and I am sure the year in industry counted toward that. I also appreciated my last year at Uni all the more having seen the real world of work!

So relevant experience is a very good thing in my book. Being compelled to stack shelves will tell a prospective employer absolutely nothing about how their prospective employee will pan out for them.






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JerryChicken wrote:Realistic viewpoints and the young often do not mix very well.



I would argue that is not a bad thing. Some of us older folks long for an unrealistic expectation every now and then.






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V6Chuk wrote: ... the government sub-contracting their needs out to the privet sector. ...

Ah, to hedge their bets, yes?






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El Barbudo wrote:Ah, to hedge their bets, yes?


LOL Oooops I'm dyslexic






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Easy, instead of making it compulsary make it easier to volunteer to do unpaid work in the field you are trained/educated in.

That way the law students can work unpaid for an agreed period of time getting experience and showing willing by not making it compulsary whilst the unqualified will have to do less qualified job roles if they choose to do so as a way of showing willing.

Don't threaten job seekers with benefit cuts, threaten the idle instead.






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post wrote:Easy, instead of making it compulsary make it easier to volunteer to do unpaid work in the field you are trained/educated in.

That way the law students can work unpaid for an agreed period of time getting experience and showing willing by not making it compulsary whilst the unqualified will have to do less qualified job roles if they choose to do so as a way of showing willing.

Don't threaten job seekers with benefit cuts, threaten the idle instead.


In principle thats not a bad idea, in practice it does raise the prospect that suddenly every employer in the land will have access to this huge wealth of free labour.

In principle access to free labour is not a bad idea for most cash strapped businesses who other wise would not be recruiting right now, but it does raise the prospect that these might not turn out to be newly created work experience jobs, but real jobs that were formally filled by people who were employed but are now unemployed because the company got rid of them to fill the vacancy with free labour.

Yes, it would be illegal to do so, but do you trust a cash strapped business enough to assume that no-one would try it on ?






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Sal Paradise wrote:You don't need to have a degree to give a few pointers to visitors or to be able express yourself in a coherent way. You are really stretching a point Damo. If you said she wants to a curator or restorer different matter but there is no indication anywhere that to be the case.


Would you have the fictional character Yosser Hughes working in a Museum?

Cait Reilly volunteered in a museum because she saw that this volunteering was the first rung of the ladder when it comes to getting the career that she wanted. The Work Programme is all about matching clients to suitable posts and unfortunately in reality this hasn't been the case - It's been about creating profits for multinational commercial companies.






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post wrote:Don't threaten job seekers with benefit cuts, threaten the idle instead.

One thing that very rarely gets discussed is why people on benefits are idle.

Personally I think most idleness on benefits comes from the exhaustion of rejection.






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