samwire wrote:oh god, so you're still not done. here, i'll help. the bit in bold below, go find it, then get back to me. that's you're starting point.
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Dally wrote:The Tories could, for the wrong reasons (IMO), maybe get this right. If, as I have previously proposed, they can split the French-German axis that dominates Europe and isolate France in policy terms we could all come out of this well. As I have said before, a Northern European powerhouse with France being isolated, possibly as the champion of the impoverished South would be a good outcome.
To decide if we will come out of it well you'd have to know what Cameron wants specifically and if he gets it judge if that would make the people of this country better off.
Given by amending rules that can be amended by the UK government alone such as reducing redundancy notice period down from 90 to 45 days you can see what is coming of they get the ability to ditch European employment laws.
These include things like not discriminating against part time workers or women, ensuring workers are entitled to paid holiday's and offer protection when companies are taken over and other stuff I think most people take for granted not realising where the legislation originates from and what they therefore risk to lose.
I do not think that equates to us coming out of this well.
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DaveO wrote:To decide if we will come out of it well you'd have to know what Cameron wants specifically and if he gets it judge if that would make the people of this country better off.
Given by amending rules that can be amended by the UK government alone such as reducing redundancy notice period down from 90 to 45 days you can see what is coming of they get the ability to ditch European employment laws.
These include things like not discriminating against part time workers or women, ensuring workers are entitled to paid holiday's and offer protection when companies are taken over and other stuff I think most people take for granted not realising where the legislation originates from and what they therefore risk to lose.
I do not think that equates to us coming out of this well.
Strangely, the only scenario he specifically mentioned was of hospital doctors forced to work to the EU maximum hours directive. I don't know of one working doctor or surgeon who would willingly go back to working 100+ hours per week, nor do I imagine any patient would be happy going under the knife of someone who enjoyed little sleep over the previous week.
As for repatriation of other employment protections, what makes him think that the other 26 countries would willingly give the UK a derogation in order that we can better compete against them?
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DaveO wrote:Well its now becoming slightly clearer as the "Fresh Start Group" have four main demands for what they want:
• A complete repatriation of social and employment laws such as the working time directive which imposes a 48-hour working week. Britain has an opt-out from that aspect of the directive.
• A opt-out from all criminal justice measures.
• An "emergency brake" that would give Britain an effective veto over new financial services regulations which are currently decided by qualified majority voting (QMV).
• An end to the monthly plenary sessions of the European parliament held in Strasbourg.
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Regarding the monthly Plenary sessions, I noticed an item in Private Eye. Apparently MEPs are fed up with traipsing back and forth from Brussel to Strasbourg 12 times a year for these sessions (at £12.5m a pop) and voted to cut them down to 11 as a beninning of a tapering-down of the Strasbourg visits, eventually to have the seat of Parliament in Brussels only. But the French, losing business etc in Strasbourg, took it to court and won, on the basis that the treaty says 12 per year ... but 88% of MEPs have already voted to phase them out, starting the phasing in mid-2013. So Cameron will be pushing at an open door on that one and is a bit late coming in on the proposal.
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cod'ead wrote:Strangely, the only scenario he specifically mentioned was of hospital doctors forced to work to the EU maximum hours directive. I don't know of one working doctor or surgeon who would willingly go back to working 100+ hours per week, nor do I imagine any patient would be happy going under the knife of someone who enjoyed little sleep over the previous week.
As for repatriation of other employment protections, what makes him think that the other 26 countries would willingly give the UK a derogation in order that we can better compete against them?
Spot on, on both points.
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Talk about singing off the same hymn sheet, these buggers aren't even in the same church
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