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 Post subject: Re: Another retail casualty
PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:38 pm 
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JerryChicken wrote:You mean that if we clear the decks of all businesses run on an overdraft and with loans and leases for equipment and modernisation, then the UK economy would be just hunky-dory and we wouldn't all be out of jobs at all ?


Where did I suggest running a business on an overdraft is representative of a poorly run business?

In every sector there are businesses that corrupt the equilibrium of the that market, pre-packs are a classic example. These firms go bust but phoenix with the same owners but no debt as a result their overheads are artificially understated and that is reflected in the prices they offer. This affects the whole market and everyone who has run their business correctly suffers. Fortunately the failure rate for pre-packs is very high but whilst they are operating the cause significant issues.






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Sal Paradise wrote:Where did I suggest running a business on an overdraft is representative of a poorly run business?

In every sector there are businesses that corrupt the equilibrium of the that market, pre-packs are a classic example. These firms go bust but phoenix with the same owners but no debt as a result their overheads are artificially understated and that is reflected in the prices they offer. This affects the whole market and everyone who has run their business correctly suffers. Fortunately the failure rate for pre-packs is very high but whilst they are operating the cause significant issues.


Pre-packs make up a tiny percentage of companies operating in the UK and those specifically set up in order to gain markets with the intention of folding and setting up again are a fraction of that figure. Much of the banks' capital is tied up in lending to "zombie" companies. They are borrowing to keep afloat, treading water, waiting for an upturn but at the same time keeping people in jobs. So despite not assisting in growing the economy, they are at least assisting in keeping their employees spending.

There have been calls for the banks to foreclose on the loans to "zombies" and use the released capital to assist companies with potentialfor growth. The problem with that, as the banks know only too well, is that they'd probaby only realise 10% of the capital loaned, so that drastically reduces the pot of money available to other companies.






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cod'ead wrote:Pre-packs make up a tiny percentage of companies operating in the UK and those specifically set up in order to gain markets with the intention of folding and setting up again are a fraction of that figure. Much of the banks' capital is tied up in lending to "zombie" companies. They are borrowing to keep afloat, treading water, waiting for an upturn but at the same time keeping people in jobs. So despite not assisting in growing the economy, they are at least assisting in keeping their employees spending.

There have been calls for the banks to foreclose on the loans to "zombies" and use the released capital to assist companies with potentialfor growth. The problem with that, as the banks know only too well, is that they'd probaby only realise 10% of the capital loaned, so that drastically reduces the pot of money available to other companies.


It would also adversely affect their balance sheet and their own cost of borrowing too!!






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Dally wrote:Shame that Jessops has gone under. Always liked them.


I always found them helpful.

Someone somewhere was suggesting that there's no place for such a company in "the digital world", but I cannot fathom anyone wanting to buy something such as a piece of camera kit online. I much prefer to have the chance to discuss a major purchase with someone, look at it, even test it out.






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Mintball wrote:wanting to buy something such as a piece of camera kit online. I much prefer to have the chance to discuss a major purchase with someone, look at it, even test it out.


problem is, people did just that, and then bought online because they could get it cheaper, even from Jessops themselves, I saw a lens online for about £700, found a shop near where I was working and the tag price was nearer £1000, so I went home, and duly ordered it from a completely differene supplier.

Jessops invested a substantial amount in print technology just as the market all but collapsed, and again, there were cheaper alternatives available.

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Ajw71 wrote:We already have growth, always room for more though :D

Such great growth (between double dips into recession) that GDP is still below 2007 levels.
And still no sign of plan B.
But hey- ho, the cabinet millionaires are doing ok, so let' s be thankful.






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El Barbudo wrote:Such great growth (between double dips into recession) that GDP is still below 2007 levels.
And still no sign of plan B.
But hey- ho, the cabinet millionaires are doing ok, so let' s be thankful.


Labour have been very specific about what they wou.... oh, hang on.

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Standee wrote:Labour have been very specific about what they wou.... oh, hang on.


Just because people criticise this government doesn't mean they agree with all or anything Labour do.






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Big Graeme wrote:Just because people criticise this government doesn't mean they agree with all or anything Labour do.




...and oppostition party's don't have to run a shadow economy alongside the real one or publish "what we would do instead" information - the current incumbants (whoever they may be) have stood up and offered themselves up for the job confident in their own abilities to cope and improve.

It would be helpful if each political party would publish their CV's though.






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 Post subject: Re: Another retail casualty
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JerryChicken wrote:It would be helpful if each political party would publish their CV's though.


I dont think any of them would get further than a Blue Peter badge and getting a picture on the Gallery, thats the problem, when we want someone to operate on us we expect a trained and educated specialist, when buying a house we want a trained and educated solicitor/lawyer, even when I buy meat from the supermarket I expect the person serving me to have had some training.

And then, we get Grant Shapps as Housing Minister

they are all useless to varying extents

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