Post subject: Re: Benefits to be cut for fat claimants
Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:09 pm
Mintball
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Big Graeme wrote:Not to excuse products that are really high in sugar but the whole point of break fast is to give the body a boost to start they day, to break the overnight fast. The small amounts of sugar in things like weetabix and cornflakes (and don't forget the sugars in milk in the form of lactose) would not be an issue if we had an active day, what many of us do is eat go to work and have a largely sedimentary job.
The amount of sugar might appear small, but as I mentioned, does that include the fructose syrup?
As I mentioned, I find a kipper or a couple of eggs does me fine: doesn't leave me feeling bloated, but fills me up until lunchtime.
Rock God X wrote:Try (if you haven't already) Jordans Natural Muesli. The only sugars it contains are those naturally occurring in the sultanas, and it has no added salt.
Then a dietician might point out that dried fruits are very high in sugar. There's a reason that diabetic clinics advise against consuming fruit juice.
And I can make and eat an omelette in half the time it takes to crunch through a bowl of that.
It's worth noting that the world's two biggest consumers of breakfast cereals are the UK and US – and both have massive obesity problems. Obviously the one is not the sole cause of the other, but it could well be a contributory factor, together with the demonisation of natural fats in both countries, and their replacement with artificial fats, and with 'low-fat' foods that contain sugar (yogurt etc).
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Post subject: Re: Benefits to be cut for fat claimants
Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:18 pm
Rock God X
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Mintball wrote:Then a dietician might point out that dried fruits are very high in sugar. There's a reason that diabetic clinics advise against consuming fruit juice.
Sugars, like fats, are not bad in and of themselves. If eaten in the right quantities and at the right times, they can be quite beneficial. The amount of sugar contained in the few sultanas you'd get in a bowl of that particular muesli is negligible anyway, and the fact that the rest of the ingredients are low GI would mean that the overall carbohydrate content of the stuff would be released steadily over a period of time.
If you prefer an omelette, fine, but it'll be no healthier.
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Post subject: Re: Benefits to be cut for fat claimants
Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:23 pm
Mintball
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Rock God X wrote:Sugars, like fats, are not bad in and of themselves. If eaten in the right quantities and at the right times, they can be quite beneficial. The amount of sugar contained in the few sultanas you'd get in a bowl of that particular muesli is negligible anyway, and the fact that the rest of the ingredients are low GI would mean that the overall carbohydrate content of the stuff would be released steadily over a period of time.
If you prefer an omelette, fine, but it'll be no healthier.
Rock God X wrote:Sugars, like fats, are not bad in and of themselves. If eaten in the right quantities and at the right times, they can be quite beneficial. The amount of sugar contained in the few sultanas you'd get in a bowl of that particular muesli is negligible anyway, and the fact that the rest of the ingredients are low GI would mean that the overall carbohydrate content of the stuff would be released steadily over a period of time.
If you prefer an omelette, fine, but it'll be no healthier.
They're just links to Amazon and a short article - they don't give any insight as to the author's opinion on whether Jordan's Natural Muesli is as healthy, more healthy or less healthy than your omelette.
Anyone who says that this is unhealthy is talking out of their bottom.
They're just links to Amazon and a short article - they don't give any insight as to the author's opinion on whether Jordan's Natural Muesli is as healthy, more healthy or less healthy than your omelette.
Anyone who says that this is unhealthy is talking out of their bottom.
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Post subject: Re: Benefits to be cut for fat claimants
Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:57 pm
Mintball
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Rock God X wrote:They're just links to Amazon and a short article - they don't give any insight as to the author's opinion on whether Jordan's Natural Muesli is as healthy, more healthy or less healthy than your omelette.
Anyone who says that this is unhealthy is talking out of their bottom.
Briffa is a UK GP, who has been treating patients with weight issues for some years. Taubes is a US science writer who seems to have a good reputation. Harcombe is a UK food campaigner who has been researching and writing about obesity and the causes of obesity for some considerable time.
All of them agree that starchy carbs are not the best foods for humans to eat – most certainly not in terms of weight control/loss.
Rock God X wrote:They're just links to Amazon and a short article - they don't give any insight as to the author's opinion on whether Jordan's Natural Muesli is as healthy, more healthy or less healthy than your omelette.
Anyone who says that this is unhealthy is talking out of their bottom.
Briffa is a UK GP, who has been treating patients with weight issues for some years. Taubes is a US science writer who seems to have a good reputation. Harcombe is a UK food campaigner who has been researching and writing about obesity and the causes of obesity for some considerable time.
All of them agree that starchy carbs are not the best foods for humans to eat – most certainly not in terms of weight control/loss.
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Post subject: Re: Benefits to be cut for fat claimants
Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:18 pm
Rock God X
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Mintball wrote:
Rock God X wrote:They're just links to Amazon and a short article - they don't give any insight as to the author's opinion on whether Jordan's Natural Muesli is as healthy, more healthy or less healthy than your omelette.
Anyone who says that this is unhealthy is talking out of their bottom.
Briffa is a UK GP, who has been treating patients with weight issues for some years. Taubes is a US science writer who seems to have a good reputation. Harcombe is a UK food campaigner who has been researching and writing about obesity and the causes of obesity for some considerable time.
All of them agree that starchy carbs are not the best foods for humans to eat – most certainly not in terms of weight control/loss.
But we're not talking about 'starchy carbs' here, we're talking about a natural, wholegrain food, which has no added sugar, salt or anything else, for that matter. Wholegrains are almost universally agreed to be beneficial for a healthy heart, and the product's fibre content alone makes it an excellent choice.
Mintball wrote:
Rock God X wrote:They're just links to Amazon and a short article - they don't give any insight as to the author's opinion on whether Jordan's Natural Muesli is as healthy, more healthy or less healthy than your omelette.
Anyone who says that this is unhealthy is talking out of their bottom.
Briffa is a UK GP, who has been treating patients with weight issues for some years. Taubes is a US science writer who seems to have a good reputation. Harcombe is a UK food campaigner who has been researching and writing about obesity and the causes of obesity for some considerable time.
All of them agree that starchy carbs are not the best foods for humans to eat – most certainly not in terms of weight control/loss.
But we're not talking about 'starchy carbs' here, we're talking about a natural, wholegrain food, which has no added sugar, salt or anything else, for that matter. Wholegrains are almost universally agreed to be beneficial for a healthy heart, and the product's fibre content alone makes it an excellent choice.
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Post subject: Re: Benefits to be cut for fat claimants
Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:30 pm
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Rock God X wrote:But we're not talking about 'starchy carbs' here, we're talking about a natural, wholegrain food, which has no added sugar, salt or anything else, for that matter. Wholegrains are almost universally agreed to be beneficial for a healthy heart, and the product's fibre content alone makes it an excellent choice.
I'm with you, trouble is you've made me bloody hungry now.
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Post subject: Re: Benefits to be cut for fat claimants
Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:33 pm
Rock God X
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JerryChicken wrote:
Rock God X wrote:But we're not talking about 'starchy carbs' here, we're talking about a natural, wholegrain food, which has no added sugar, salt or anything else, for that matter. Wholegrains are almost universally agreed to be beneficial for a healthy heart, and the product's fibre content alone makes it an excellent choice.
I'm with you, trouble is you've made me bloody hungry now.
Get Minty to knock you up an omelette.
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