Post subject: Re: Irvine Patnick RIP (rot in pieces)
Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:41 pm
Ajw71
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Rooster Booster wrote:Interestingly there have been a few occasions over here of late, where a person has punched someone in a fight, who has fallen, smashed their head on the pavement and died.
Also, If someone went out to just give someone a little "slap" as a warning without any intention other than to fire off a warning shot and they cracked their head and died. What happens then Petrocelli?
Post subject: Re: Irvine Patnick RIP (rot in pieces)
Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:47 pm
dr_feelgood
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Joined: Feb 12 2012 Posts: 1011 Location: Wigan
knockersbumpMKII wrote:Classy, you so sterotype yourself as the typical flat cap one-eyed labourite Northerner, so if someone were to be joyeous over the fact your mum/nan was seriously ill and may possibly die you'd be overjoyed no doubt...tool
Yep! and proud of it.
As I grew up she took my free school milk off me, started the erosion of free university education, introduced the poll tax, put many of my friends fathers on the dole, condemned many of my contemporaries to a life on benefits, shut the pits, battered the unions, oversaw the demise of manufacturing in this country, sold off all the essential services, deregulated the city letting a bunch of spivs take over... I could go on , but the list is too long! To top it all, her clinging on to life has lost me a fortune in death sweeps!
As for my mother, she didn't destroy the lives and hopes of millions of people!
Post subject: Re: Irvine Patnick RIP (rot in pieces)
Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 7:59 am
Sal Paradise
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Joined: Feb 27 2002 Posts: 18060 Location: On the road
Mintball wrote:And that's without considering:
1) the trustworthiness of the police. I can entirely understand why police would, in horrific cases, be so determined to bring a killer to book that they'd bend the rules if they thought that they had the right person and could only get them that way, but we know precisely where that leads. And that's without going down the route of discussing a case such as that of Daniel Morgan;
2) DNA evidence is not 100% effective'
3) the ethical question of why, if the taking of life is such a serious crime, it becomes acceptable for the state to do exactly that.
Are you suggesting if Ian Brady, Myra Hindley, Rose West or Peter Sutcliffe had been executed there was the slightest chance of a miscarriage of justice? These are the types of individuals I am suggesting are suitable for execution.
On the state taking lives - we think it is OK to go and murder innocent people in places like Afghanistan but it not OK to carry out controlled virtually painless death on those convicted of the most serious of crimes?
Your job is to say to yourself on a job interview does the hiring manager likes me or not. If you aren't a particular manager's cup of tea, you haven't failed -- you've dodged a bullet.
Post subject: Re: Irvine Patnick RIP (rot in pieces)
Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:38 am
JerryChicken
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Sal Paradise wrote:Are you suggesting if Ian Brady, Myra Hindley, Rose West or Peter Sutcliffe had been executed there was the slightest chance of a miscarriage of justice? These are the types of individuals I am suggesting are suitable for execution.
So where is the common denominator between those four other than the fact that they were convicted of murder, what is the specific part of their crime that make it suitable for the death penalty and other murders not ?
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Post subject: Re: Irvine Patnick RIP (rot in pieces)
Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:39 am
samwire
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Joined: Sep 04 2002 Posts: 335 Location: Chester
dr_feelgood wrote:Yep! and proud of it.
As I grew up she took my free school milk off me, started the erosion of free university education, introduced the poll tax, put many of my friends fathers on the dole, condemned many of my contemporaries to a life on benefits, shut the pits, battered the unions, oversaw the demise of manufacturing in this country, sold off all the essential services, deregulated the city letting a bunch of spivs take over... I could go on , but the list is too long! To top it all, her clinging on to life has lost me a fortune in death sweeps!
As for my mother, she didn't destroy the lives and hopes of millions of people!
so you hate the tories because they stopped free school milk and shut some pits, yet you vote labour even though they stopped free school milk and shut down more pits. interesting. oh, and that whole 'demise of manufacturing' nonsense is just that.
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Post subject: Re: Irvine Patnick RIP (rot in pieces)
Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:57 am
Big Graeme
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samwire wrote:so you hate the tories because they stopped free school milk and shut some pits, yet you vote labour even though they stopped free school milk and shut down more pits. interesting. oh, and that whole 'demise of manufacturing' nonsense is just that.
Remind us again, how old were you during Thatchers reign?
Post subject: Re: Irvine Patnick RIP (rot in pieces)
Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:07 am
Ferocious Aardvark
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Joined: Feb 17 2002 Posts: 28357 Location: MACS0647-JD
Rooster Booster wrote:Interestingly there have been a few occasions over here of late, where a person has punched someone in a fight, who has fallen, smashed their head on the pavement and died.
Also, If someone went out to just give someone a little "slap" as a warning without any intention other than to fire off a warning shot and they cracked their head and died. What happens then Petrocelli?
"Unlawful Act Manslaughter This is where the killing is the result of:
the defendant's unlawful act (not omission);
where the unlawful act is one which all sober and reasonable people would realise would subject the victim to the risk of some physical harm resulting there from, albeit not serious harm "
Rooster Booster wrote:Interestingly there have been a few occasions over here of late, where a person has punched someone in a fight, who has fallen, smashed their head on the pavement and died.
Also, If someone went out to just give someone a little "slap" as a warning without any intention other than to fire off a warning shot and they cracked their head and died. What happens then Petrocelli?
"Unlawful Act Manslaughter This is where the killing is the result of:
the defendant's unlawful act (not omission);
where the unlawful act is one which all sober and reasonable people would realise would subject the victim to the risk of some physical harm resulting there from, albeit not serious harm "
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Sal Paradise wrote:Are you suggesting if Ian Brady, Myra Hindley, Rose West or Peter Sutcliffe had been executed there was the slightest chance of a miscarriage of justice? These are the types of individuals I am suggesting are suitable for execution.
On the state taking lives - we think it is OK to go and murder innocent people in places like Afghanistan but it not OK to carry out controlled virtually painless death on those convicted of the most serious of crimes?
What would your criteria be in deciding who are the worst murderers who are also the most obviously guilty?
For example, would you treat Ian Huntley different to Myra Hindley? He was convicted by an 11-1 majority verdict. Would that spare him the noose?
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