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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:29 pm 
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MattyB wrote:Years ago I used to work with a girl who was just the same...found god when her boyfriend at the time was run over and killed.

Had she been praying for his demise?






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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:48 pm 
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Has anyone else noticed the irony of Kirkstallers name?






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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:08 pm 
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Scooter Nik wrote:Has anyone else noticed the irony of Kirkstallers name?

In that he is a success at least.






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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:16 pm 
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SmokeyTA wrote:No. You wrong. You are stating that you saw and spoke to Jesus. As have many people at your church.


What exactly is wrong about that?

Quote:You are stating that Jesus spoke to you, not in some vague bullsh1t 'feeling' which you want to attribute to jesus, you arent stating that there was some phenomena that you interpreted as jesus. You arent even arguing that you have faith.


I have saving faith.

Quote:You are saying that Jesus spoke to you, you met him and air passed over his glottis in the larynx, was modified by the vocal tract, jaw, lips, tongue etc in sound waves which travelled through the air, into your ear, you recognised these as vowels and consonants which formed words and sentences using grammar and language which you processed as information.


Yes, Jesus spoke to me. Well done, you got there in the end.

You might be interested to know that I'm not just typing this; my fingertips are touching the keyboard very fast and the keys are sending electronic impulses through a computer to make text appear on screen.

Quote:That didnt happen through faith, it happened (if we suspend any sense of logic and pretend it really did happen) through well understood and commonly known processes. It isnt a matter of faith to (from your point of view) believe this. If you did see this, then the rational and logical response would be to accept it, to ignore it would be a real leap of faith, one you have explained that you 'a believer' werent prepared to make.


What isn't a matter of faith? Did I ever tout it as something that you have to believe in order for it to happen?

BTW the biblical definition of faith is not the atheistic 'belief without evidence'. It means trust and believing what has been promised to you from God.

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I'm a bit surprised at the response to Kirkstaller's beliefs tbh. It is not our beliefs that are critical but our actions. If I believe in a god then what does it matter as long as I live my life in an ethical way?






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Well, I actually spoke to God on my way home from work the other night, so there!




OK, I admit that I'd come home via the Rose & Crown, and conversed through that wonderful aid, the big white megaphone :D






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kirkstaller wrote:BTW the biblical definition of faith is not the atheistic 'belief without evidence'. It means trust and believing what has been promised to you from God.

Whose existence is not supported by a single shred of evidence.






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McClennan wrote:I'm a bit surprised at the response to Kirkstaller's beliefs tbh. It is not our beliefs that are critical but our actions. If I believe in a god then what does it matter as long as I live my life in an ethical way?

It wouldn't matter if those beliefs were kept out of our schools, our legislative process etc, but many religious people seem to think that their delusion gives them the right to interfere in the lives of others.

And having the right to believe something ridiculous is not the same as having the right not to have that belief ridiculed.






Christianity: because you're so awful you made God kill himself.

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Rock God X wrote:It wouldn't matter if those beliefs were kept out of our schools, our legislative process etc, but many religious people seem to think that their delusion gives them the right to interfere in the lives of others.

And having the right to believe something ridiculous is not the same as having the right not to have that belief ridiculed.


It wouldn't matter if those secular beliefs were kept out of our schools, our legislative process etc, but many atheists seem to think that their 'enlightenment' gives them the right to interfere in the lives of others.

And having the right to believe something ridiculous is not the same as having the right not to have that belief ridiculed.

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