Nonsense, if she starts to look out of shape she might get bumped orf

A couple of lettuce leaves then probably spewed them up in the tradition of her husbands late mother.

Ferocious Aardvark

The coroner will decide if it was suicide ie deliberate or possibly a call for help that went wrong. Many cases look like suicide but are not determined as such until the coroner makes the finding.







No they may well have decided that she no longer posed a risk to herself or others ( and often get it wrong. It is not a precise science). It is very unlikely she was well.




How THICK are you are yopu really saying that she was well was absolutely fine and then two Djs made a phone call and the management of the radio station publicised it and she just killed herself. Go give your head a shake man.

A person who makes TWO serious attempts at Suicide and is admitted to a psychiatric unit is unlikely to just get over the problems in 11 months. Next you will be telling us that binge drinkers who dont drink for 11 months are cured of their addiction.


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No lets not wait for the inquest you have made your mind up sack the DJs blame the producers




I am not claiming to make an insight i have just said let's wait until we know all the facts before we start the hangings and floggings and join in with the mass hysteria of those who blamed the DJs and sent them death threats.



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Just out of curiosity did you send a death threat as well or did you just save your threats for the station management

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Now now ferocious arsewipe have a i touched a nerve you start the insults and throw them around at anyone . You stop insulting others and they might not insult you

That's good. To sum up, you say that "IF" anyone is to blame, (so you think nobody may have done anything amiss) then it is the hospital, who should have realised that if they let her work on the reception phone, a prank call might come in, she would be duped, she might be grievously distressed by the media shiitstorm etc that she might kill herself.

But the radio station who actually broadcast the tape are entitled to assume that any person taking a call in a hospital has been tested and cleared as being of sufficient fortitude to be able to brush off being at the centre of a worldwide humiliation.

Well, there is always that to consider.


It must just be me then. Oh, by the way, just out of interest, as I've clearly missed it somewhere, where is your evidence that prior to this incident, she "had significant mental issues"? You know, in the first week of December 2012? I.e., about the relevant time? I am equally not saying she did not - I equally as you DON'T KNOW if she did, or if she didn't. I have not seen a single report of a single person suggesting that she did.

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My objection was people making unequivocal claims about that particular person's mental health prior to the prank incident. I did not say they were trying to be a psychiatrist, in general but that unless they were HER psychiatrist, in particular, they obviously don't know the state of her mental health in early December 2012. Does that make it clear?

I believe the survival instinct is a default position, when faced with a life threatening situation. I don't think it has much at all to do with suicide cases. It is a fact that a million people a year or more override that to take their own lives. If you want to believe that a person takes their own live, ergo they had "significant mental issues", you'd be wrong. They might, of course, but not at all necessarily. And attempting suicide is often a "cry for help" or attention, to coin a phrase. Actually killing yourself is - contrary to your belief - often a cold and calculated considered act, 100% "in control". It is often a choice.

From what evidence I have read, this lady was not "out of control". She seems to have thought it through right down to her funeral arrangements. What you are saying is that because an adult hangs him or herself, they are mentally "out of control". This is a complete misunderstanding, you don't have to be mentally ill to kill yourself, and you can kill yourself without being "out of control".

Indeed he will, but on the face of it a person who writes detailed suicide notes, funeral instructions etc and then hangs themselves, in a location where seemingly they are unlikely to expect any callers, did intend to die. However, whether it was a suicide, or a cry for help, the suicide notes seem to have directly pointed to the cause of her actions, so do you think it makes much difference? Had she been revived, and survived, then to me while the consequences would obviously be much less grave, the crass decision of the radio station's decision to use the material would be no less reprehensible.

What is funny about your posts, though, is that here you are, telling me that it might not be suicide, but a call for help that went wrong, and then (in big letters) the coroner makes the finding, yet in your last diatribe you insisted that the nurse had tried to commit suicide twice in the last year, based on nothing more than a third hand account reported in a newspaper! So I wonder how you are so sure of that, yet on all the evidence we have here seen, you are criticising me for not waiting for the coroner to rule? Not double standards, shurely?


Had she also stopped beating her husband? What an odd phrase to choose. Do you have some evidence that she had posed a risk to herself or to others, then? Are you suggesting she had been sectioned? Or what? What do you know? Or is this just more in your catalogue of inventions?

For my part, I'd suggest that those treating her at the place of the reported incidents a year ago would have been the ones who decided she was well enough to be discharged. As far as her life in this country over the past year is concerned, the only reports I have seen suggest that she was being treated for depression. I haven't read a word about her "being a rsik to herself or others". What do you know?


Why?


I know she suffered from depression. I get quite depressed reading your garbage. Hundreds of millions do (even the ones who don't have to read your posts) . I have heard it said that everyone suffers from depression, the only difference is in the degree, and I personally go along with that. Anyone can get depressed, and there are different kinds of depression. In overall terms, though, I have not seen a single report to suggest that anyone thought she was ill, or unwell, or any such thing. What do you know?

The basic mistake you seem to be making is to believe that a person who commits suicide MUST previously have been mentally ill. I don't think you will find any evidence in the world to back you up so I'd give that one up. Something like 20% of the million or so who do commit suicide in any given year apparently showed no previous signs of being unwell.


WHOOPS! Your double-standards are showing again!

In any case, on the very limited information we have, I doubt these were suicide attempts, I think they were cries for help. An overdose of pills and telling others you have done it is a pretty classic cry for help- enquire at any hospital A&E. The "jumping off a building" report seems more likely to be similar, since if you really wanted to die, it wouldn't be hard to find a structure high enough to be 100% sure of achieving your aim.


Oh come on, the sketchy reports say she was only in hopsital, including the psychiatric ward, for 3 days total. It's hardly Hannibal Lecter.


What problems? She'd got over her previous 45 years of "problems" to be married, with kids, in a responsible job; why are you so keen to write off such a plainly good and valuable member of the community as a lost cause?


Yes, that would be certainly true. If they were alcoholics, OTOH, it would not be true. But binge drinking is not a disease, it's a lifestyle choice. Alcoholics are not necessarily bing drinkers, and binge drinkers certainly are not at all necessarily alcoholics. The "addiction" would be a descriptive one. You can't get a physical addiction to binge drinking. Whereas you can get a physical addiction to alcohol.

HTH. Want to try another one?
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No, I haven't. I've given my opinions, based on the information as it has come out. TBF my opinion hasn't changed.


I disagree


No, blame the management of the radio station that took the decision to broadcast.


You please yourself, I will never be joining in with those people, I have always said the lion's share of the blame is with the radio station decision makers. A fact which you ignore every time you respond, for some odd reason.


Lying again, you well know I have not issued anything resembling a threat to them, nor, obviously, would I. The proper processes as to licencing and any criminal investigations will no doubt take their due course.


I see what you did there. It is something you should have grown out of at about age 11, but as i have said, we all have our mental issues to deal with, to some extent or other.


You're clearly trying very hard to, so I'm sad to say, not at all. If you haven't reflected on your choice of phrases, and so aren't going to apologise, that says enough for me. Well done!


There is a big difference though between satire and ridicule one the one hand and vulgar abuse on the other. But if the best your particular brain can come up with is "Now now ferocious arsewipe" then I should at least give you credit for trying your hardest, I suppose.

Ferocious Aardvark wrote: What is funny about your posts, though, is that here you are, telling me that it might not be suicide, but a call for help that went wrong, and then (in big letters) the coroner makes the finding, yet in your last diatribe you insisted that the nurse had tried to commit suicide twice in the last year, based on nothing more than a third hand account reported in a newspaper! So I wonder how you are so sure of that, yet on all the evidence we have here seen, you are criticising me for not waiting for the coroner to rule? Not double standards, shurely? How very droll FA. You merrily throw out accusations of double standards, whilst apparently using those self same third hand newspaper reports as "evidence" for your own demented views! As seen in the paragraph below.... Ferocious Aardvark wrote:I know she suffered from depression. I get quite depressed reading your garbage. Hundreds of millions do (even the ones who don't have to read your posts) . I have heard it said that everyone suffers from depression, the only difference is in the degree, and I personally go along with that. Anyone can get depressed, and there are different kinds of depression. In overall terms, though, I have not seen a single report to suggest that anyone thought she was ill, or unwell, or any such thing. What do you know? You knew she suffered from depression? Really? And how did you arrive a such a conclusion? You have heard it said that everyone suffers from depression? And who exactly was this person who said this. Was it in confidence by your own psychiatrist, or perhaps some tittle tattle overheard in a bar? I feel we should be told. No, really. Ferocious Aardvark wrote:The basic mistake you seem to be making is to believe that a person who commits suicide MUST previously have been mentally ill. I don't think you will find any evidence in the world to back you up so I'd give that one up. Something like 20% of the million or so who do commit suicide in any given year apparently showed no previous signs of being unwell. Really? Two minutes on T'internet would have shown you THIS And from the amount of selective copying and pasting you do from Wikipedia, I suspect you spend a lot of time on said internet. WHOOPS! Your double-standards are showing again! Ferocious Aardvark wrote:In any case, on the very limited information we have, I doubt these were suicide attempts, I think they were cries for help. They may well have been just that, however the clinical preparations of her 3rd and final attempt would suggest she fully intended to kill herself this time, would it not? HTH. Want to try another one?

Ferocious Aardvark wrote: What is funny about your posts, though, is that here you are, telling me that it might not be suicide, but a call for help that went wrong, and then (in big letters) the coroner makes the finding, yet in your last diatribe you insisted that the nurse had tried to commit suicide twice in the last year, based on nothing more than a third hand account reported in a newspaper! So I wonder how you are so sure of that, yet on all the evidence we have here seen, you are criticising me for not waiting for the coroner to rule? Not double standards, shurely? How very droll FA. You merrily throw out accusations of double standards, whilst apparently using those self same third hand newspaper reports as "evidence" for your own demented views! As seen in the paragraph below.... Ferocious Aardvark wrote:I know she suffered from depression. I get quite depressed reading your garbage. Hundreds of millions do (even the ones who don't have to read your posts) . I have heard it said that everyone suffers from depression, the only difference is in the degree, and I personally go along with that. Anyone can get depressed, and there are different kinds of depression. In overall terms, though, I have not seen a single report to suggest that anyone thought she was ill, or unwell, or any such thing. What do you know? You knew she suffered from depression? Really? And how did you arrive a such a conclusion? You have heard it said that everyone suffers from depression? And who exactly was this person who said this. Was it in confidence by your own psychiatrist, or perhaps some tittle tattle overheard in a bar? I feel we should be told. No, really. Ferocious Aardvark wrote:The basic mistake you seem to be making is to believe that a person who commits suicide MUST previously have been mentally ill. I don't think you will find any evidence in the world to back you up so I'd give that one up. Something like 20% of the million or so who do commit suicide in any given year apparently showed no previous signs of being unwell. Really? Two minutes on T'internet would have shown you THIS And from the amount of selective copying and pasting you do from Wikipedia, I suspect you spend a lot of time on said internet. WHOOPS! Your double-standards are showing again! Ferocious Aardvark wrote:In any case, on the very limited information we have, I doubt these were suicide attempts, I think they were cries for help. They may well have been just that, however the clinical preparations of her 3rd and final attempt would suggest she fully intended to kill herself this time, would it not? HTH. Want to try another one?

Epic fail. I am replying to a poster who is basing his argument on the premise that Mrs. Saldanha was mentally ill and “on the edge”, when there is no evidence of this.

Since the ONLY evidence any of us has to go on is whatever is reported in the media, it’s entirely reasonable to base opinion on what has been reported. Or, if it isn’t, why have you repeatedly done so yourself?



Because it has been widely reported and is clearly in the public domain. I know that as you like conspiracies, so you might think this information is misinformation planted by the hospital, or the government or something but I’m taking it at face value personally, because I am able to analyse and weigh up any reports I read and attach an appropriate level of weight to their credibility. The reports that have emerged make it a reasonable belief.

Do you think they are all lies?


Do you doubt it? Have you not ever been depressed? Do you know anyone who hasn’t? The Depression Alliance did a survey where three-quarters of people surveyed openly admitted to suffering from depression. I don’t realy think there’s much controversial. Either everyone suffers from depression, or the very substantial majority do.

Do you disagree?


Which “own psychiatrist” do you mean? You wouldn't be imagining or inventing things again by any chance would you?


I’ve never cut and pasted from Wikipedia but if inventing lies makes you feel better the please feel free.

If there is anything in the page you linked to that you think is relevant or contradicts what I said then perhaps you’d point it out.


Well yes. Which is why that’s precisely the point that I made about it. Or did you miss that too, in you haste to try to be clever instead of answering the points made?

And yet the quote you use about being on the edge is in your head as i have not used those words.

What other things are going on in your head. You tell posters they cannot rely on the press, then you use information in the press, you criticise posters who comment on her likely Mental health but then you say she was depressed.

All of this is quite normal in a discussion and a debate BUT the crux of the matter is , that you were arguing heads should roll whilst others said lets wait until we have the facts before being the judge jury and executioner.

Your tendons in your knee jerked so fast you dug a hole for yourself and are still digging whilst still in the hole.

So between the voices in your head and the knee jerk reactions get yourself to the doctors quick.

Wouldn't you love to be stood between these two in a bar somewhere ?

No neither would I.

We do appear to be going round in a circular direction.
I'm getting a bit dizzy.

Soon be New Year.