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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:31 am 
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JerryChicken wrote:...My most important job of the day was at 10am, make another pot of coffee and then nip out of the fire escape door, down the metal escape ladder to the sandwich shop where they took delivery of a couple of dozen pork pies at 10 on the dot every day from the butchers across the road, sometimes those pies were too hot to carry.
I can't tell you how many building plans were totally ruined by some idiot (me) biting into a red hot growler and spilling liquid gelatine and fat all over the desk :lol: ...

As a mechanical engineering apprentice, I spent about three months in the heat treatment department.
One of the heat treatments done there was annealing, this is where you reduce the hardness and brittleness of steel to make it it machineable and it's done in a furnace that is exactly the right temperature for warming-up pork pies.
It's making me hungry just thinking of that first taste where the molten jelly starts to flow through the bitten crisp pastry ...

Vol au vents on the other hand were pretty dull fare and I only saw them in two places back in them days.
One was weddings, engagement parties etc, as described by Mr J Chicken above.
The other was a cafe in a yard off New St, Huddersfield, that had ideas of modernity, where you could order them covered in baked beans or with a baked potato.
They also sold open sandwiches which, to me, was oxymoronic, how can the filling be sandwiched with only one layer of bread?
And how could they justify charging more for a "sandwich" with less bread?

Whatever you ordered, it came with a "salad garni" ... i.e. an eighth of a tomato, a twisted slice of cucumber and a pinch of cress on a small lettuce leaf.
People fell into two groups, those who carefully avoided eating the garni as they regarded it a decoration and those who ate every bit of it right down to the last filament of the cress, because they'd paid for it and weren't going to waste it.
The garni lives on, although it tends to have a couple of tiny cubes of red pepper in it nowadays.

I remember two women customers in that cafe discussing how best to make vol au vents and one of them swore by Campbells Cream of Mushroom soup.
This was a canned soup that was concentrated and you prepared it (as a soup) by adding an equal amount of water to it and heating.
For a vol au vent filling, this lady spooned it straight from the can, undiluted.
Delicious, she said.






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 Post subject: Re: Vol au vents
PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:01 pm 
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Fook the vol au vent anyway!
What's wrong a nice slice of egg and bacon quiche. (got to be of a solid consistency).

Suppose that was all en vogue back in the day?

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LovesToSpooge wrote:Mini Yorkshire puddings filled with beef and gravy are very much in vogue at the moment. If that's the replacement for vol au vents then I'm all for it.



My favourite is a pack of Aunt Bessie's Tidgy Puds filled with lamb & mint sauce. Just get some cheap lamb cut into cubes, brown off and then add water, reduce the heat and slowly stew until the lamb simply shreads, whack in a dollop of mint sauce and spoon into the puds.






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El Barbudo wrote:... I remember two women customers in that cafe discussing how best to make vol au vents and one of them swore by Campbells Cream of Mushroom soup.
This was a canned soup that was concentrated and you prepared it (as a soup) by adding an equal amount of water to it and heating.
For a vol au vent filling, this lady spooned it straight from the can, undiluted.
Delicious, she said.


I think my mother used to do that.






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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 11:31 am 
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JerryChicken wrote:My christmas effort from the Paul Hollywood baking cook book seem simple enough, pork loin, bacon, onion and a gelatine leaf - I suspect that its the seasoning that counts to whether its just a meat pie made with pork, or a pork pie.


Have you made them yet? If so, were they good? I would like a good pork pie recipie.






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Dreamer wrote:Have you made them yet? If so, were they good? I would like a good pork pie recipie.


I see what you did there! :)

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 11:48 am 
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As a kid I can remember queing up outside Stanforth Butchers "Celebrated Pork Pie Establishment" in Skipton with the smell of hot pie wafting past. It was almost as good as eating the pie afterwards.

The pies were fantastic on their own but I used put a hot one in a large bowl then cover in Baxters royal game soup. Sounds odd, but it was delicious.

A group of lads had a "who can eat most" competition. I think the record was six on the bounce, which is actually a lot harder than it sounds.






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Dreamer wrote:Have you made them yet? If so, were they good? I would like a good pork pie recipie.


I see what you did there! :)


Dohhh! :DOH:

Once you think about pies, it's difficult to get them out of your mind.






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Dreamer wrote:Have you made them yet? If so, were they good? I would like a good pork pie recipie.


Not yet but I did have an experiment with the pie mould thing (Asda silicone "cup case" tray of six deep, steep sided moulds, £5) using puff pastry and a steak, onion and tomato concoction of my own, the pastry around the side was a bit soggy but it all got scoffed anyway.

I'm a bit sceptical about the pork pie recipe because it looks a bit too simple (doesn't seem to be enough seasoning) but will be giving it a go this weekend, just need some gelatine sheets - the recipe is here http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01kblc8/features/pork-pie
Dreamer wrote:Have you made them yet? If so, were they good? I would like a good pork pie recipie.


Not yet but I did have an experiment with the pie mould thing (Asda silicone "cup case" tray of six deep, steep sided moulds, £5) using puff pastry and a steak, onion and tomato concoction of my own, the pastry around the side was a bit soggy but it all got scoffed anyway.

I'm a bit sceptical about the pork pie recipe because it looks a bit too simple (doesn't seem to be enough seasoning) but will be giving it a go this weekend, just need some gelatine sheets - the recipe is here http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01kblc8/features/pork-pie






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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 5:18 pm 
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anchovy essence, allspice & sage are the common denominator in these recipes, plus a choice of either mace or cinnamon & nutmeg:

http://www.deliaonline.com/recipes/type ... -pies.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style ... 44635.html
anchovy essence, allspice & sage are the common denominator in these recipes, plus a choice of either mace or cinnamon & nutmeg:

http://www.deliaonline.com/recipes/type ... -pies.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style ... 44635.html

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