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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:28 pm 
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Bet Lynch wrote:... however it does come down to choice, she could have taken the choice to seek help, sadly she choose not to do that.

I think what you are clearly missing is that this poor lady obviously passed the point of any question of "choice" in the sense you are trying to imply she still had.
Bet Lynch wrote:... A lot of people do encounter terrible stress in their lives and often consider suicide however most choose not to take that option and do indeed choose to seek help and support.

... because they are not in the state she clearly was

Bet Lynch wrote:...Also worth noting my post was aimed at the fact that the pranksters cannot be blamed for the sad loss of the nurse, they may have contributed to her feeling as she did but they did not kill her.

I'm not sure what the point of this distinction is. As an issue of semantics, some may find it interesting; from a criminal law point of view plainly they did not kill anyone; but as a pointless comment it is up there. On all known facts the nurse took her life as the final act in a short sequence of events in which the prank call was the first, and so the outcome of the prank was, ultimately, her death. The distinction that escapes you is that they are not being blamed for killing her, they are being blamed because she killed herself.

It is odd that you don't see this, but not that relevant, since anyone who watched a clip of the first interview with the two presenters will have no doubt that they feel it very deeply.

As I have said though, and repeat so as to be clear, I mainly blame their bosses, who took the recording and instead of doing the right thing, instead chose to play it to the world.






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How do you know it was just this short sequence of events that caused her suicide? How do you know that she didn't have many other issues going on in her life that contributed to her suicide?

You don't. No one does. Speculating is pointless, much like 90% of this thread.






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Wheels wrote:How do you know it was just this short sequence of events that caused her suicide? How do you know that she didn't have many other issues going on in her life that contributed to her suicide?

You don't. No one does. Speculating is pointless, much like 90% of this thread.


I would have thought that she had a lot more issues than a phone call to want to kill herself.






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rover49 wrote:I would have thought that she had a lot more issues than a phone call to want to kill herself.


No doubts about that - I don't think anybody commits suicide over just one single incident, but that phone call and the inevitable shitstorm, both privately, behind the scenes and publicly, in the global media, would have been a very hefty shove off the emotional cliff.

I think its fair to say that without the prank call, she would probably still be alive, probably still suffering some private mental turmoil over something we'll never know about, but still waiting for that final straw, which the phone call obviously was.






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Wheels wrote:How do you know it was just this short sequence of events that caused her suicide? How do you know that she didn't have many other issues going on in her life that contributed to her suicide?

You don't. No one does. Speculating is pointless, much like 90% of this thread.


Don't be silly. Mrs Saldanha’s family today demanded answers from the hospital over the circumstances that led to her death, saying an internal inquiry is not enough. Very clearly, this means that it was the incident and sequence of events at the hospital which is the focus of their demand. The only person doing any speculating is YOU, as there is no suggestion of any other issue leading to this tragedy, and you are pointlessly ignoring the obvious.

You say I don't "know". :WALL:

You say "No-one does". Well, her husband is reportedly "seething" with the presenters and the hospital management, and I venture to suggest that having read her suicide note, he may have a fairly good idea.






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Ferocious Aardvark wrote:husband is reportedly "seething" with the presenters and the hospital management, and I venture to suggest that having read her suicide note, he may have a fairly good idea.


either that, or he's got ££££'s in his eyes?

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From my experience of those whose spouses have died in tragic circumstances, I can only say that I have yet to come across a single one in that category.






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Ferocious Aardvark wrote:From my experience of those whose spouses have died in tragic circumstances, I can only say that I have yet to come across a single one in that category.


If you're responding to me, have you seen the news that the Austrlian broadcaster will donate "at least £320,000" to her family?

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