And it's those ridiculous fans that unfortunately I have (sometimes) direct contact with on a near daily basis. But again though, as I said to GT, why bring us into it? I know we have a fine fellow element of fans at the club. That's a given. My point was regarding the Manchester clubs. Just seems like some of your lot seem to get insecure about that, and have to bring us in at every opportunity. I don't know why.

100% Wire is obsessed with us. See 90% of his posts for confirmation of this.

Probably not. T'is a strange game indeed, we've dominated plenty of teams this year, created chances relentlessly and walked away empty handed/with a point. We struggled for long spells against West Ham, didn't create a lot and our midfield generally struggled until the injury, yet we walked away with the points and scored three in the process. Baffling. On the plus side, it's good to have Lucas back, I'm actually hoping Sahin, Allen and Lucas play in the middle together with Gerrard either dropped or put on one of the flanks. Doesn't mean he has to play as a strict winger, I just think those three fit what we need better.

There's a difference between obsession and absolute hatred

The irony of LFC fans claiming other clubs talk about their clubs when ever a kopite talks about football (even pundits), whatever the topic, they can bring it back to their club...

Its like Godwins law but for kopites...

I was pointing out the sheer hypocrisy of a Liverpool fan bleating about other clubs' behaviour. As you say, every club has it's idiots, so why make a point about the Manchester clubs as if it's exclusive to us? Why jump on the opportunity to have a go at United fans if it's something between "the Manchester clubs"? If you're going to join the "debate", expect to have things thrown back at you.

Jesus, I've been back on this thread five minutes and already I've remembered why I stopped bothering with it in the first place.

Too much irony in this thread even for my meter.

Greatest piece of irony for me was the leading headline this morning. Apparently foreign players will need to have British culture lessons, apparently in an effort to tackle racism head on. So what will these culture lessons involve? Will they involve absolutely embarrassing double standards? Will people like Oliver Holt or Martin Samuel be involved in these lessons? If so, I fear for the foreign players. The fact this was the leading headline, when the majority of racist 'incidents' over the past year haven't involved foreign players, IMO, is staggering and shows where the media feel the blame lies. Just like the media blame foreign players for diving, or blame foreign players for feigning injury, and so on, and so on. Just like it was the foreign manager's fault that England were sh*te.

Well done bratford


Wenger to go??

Far too many journo's defending Wenger on twitter last night. Saying he hardly has any money to spend and that he is actually over achieving. Maybe if he hadn't spent/wasted so much money on utter dross then you'd have a decent argument. He's spent close on £100 million pound these past 2 seasons alone.

Here are some of his gems too....
Gervinho - 10.6 million
Mertesacker - 10 million
Andre Santos - 6.2 million
Park Chu Young - 3 million
Koscielny - 10 million
Arshavin - 15 million
Hleb - 11.2 million
Reyes - 13 million
Richard Wright - 6 million
Jeffers - 8 million

His transfers have been socking recently....Gervinho is completely hopeless in an Arsenal shirt(though does seem better when he plays for Ivory Coast), Andre Santos is a turnstyle when it comes to defending and Chamakh is a waste of hair gel as well as a footballer...all of those will i bet be on £50k+ a week. The guy has completley lost it (and he is on £7.5 million a year btw) no wonder Walcott wants to go...Wilshire will be next.

The board talk about Arsenal being a "brand"....well its a damaged one now when a team from the 4th tier deserved their victory.