WIZEB wrote:She probably got a right good fooking off her gaffers, although they denied it.
They would, wouldn't they?
She could have been answerable to the Nursing Midwifery Council (NMC), which is the code of practice for nurses & midwifes, confidentiality is an important aspect for patients and a large part of the code covers this. The worse case scenario is that the nurse involved may have been charged by the council with risk of losing her pin number and struck off. This is a very sad state of affairs, I have no doubt the nurse felt devastated and possibly scared about facing possible disciplinary (I know I would have felt that way), more so with the call being broadcast for all to hear no doubt added humiliation to how she was feeling. This was a prank which went terribly wrong, although it has to be said the broadcasters did not kill the nurse as sadly it was her choice to take her own life. Heartbreak for all concerned including the broadcasters who I hope can eventually move on from this sad saga.
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Dita's Slot Meter wrote:I think I pointed it out on the Leveson thread, but the problem in this country is that people (mainly the older generation) seem to buy newspapers purely out of habit, rather than any serious newsreading.
My own parents have bought the Mirror for years and recently, after I once questioned their reason for buying it, my mum simply replied she got it for the TV pages!!
You're not wrong there mate IMHO. Your mum only needs to buy Saturday's paper (and it's supplement) if she wants TV pages, so why does she buy the rest? That's all I do to keep my wife onside and then I don't read the paper that comes with it. It's The Mail, it's tosh! I'm a free man since I cancelled the rest!
I could swap but inertia has me, oh and tradition.
Lots of my mates are Mail readers and it shows, the bile they spew forth is laughable, but mates are mates. Thick and thin and all that ... mainly thick. I jest.
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Ferocious Aardvark wrote:What a sorry episode.
It was intended to be a prank call. I don't think that they or anyone would have believed that the reception at the hospital would think it was actually the Queen. The prank, and the amusement, (if any) would have been in the conversation.
No doubt to their amazement, they did actually con the receptionist, who was in fact a nurse, covering reception in the early hours. And got put through to the nurse actually caring for the patient.
They then shamefully got this nurse to divulge to them confidential patient data. It doesn't matter who the patient was, this was bang out of order. They had no right at all to the information, and it is on a par with the illicit information obtained by phone hacking - accessing totally private information by deception.
I can see that having unexpectedly fooled reception, and found themselves improbably speaking to Kate's nurse, they got a bit giddy and didn't think it through. But pretending to be teh Queen in a call to the hospital switchboard may have potential for humour; tricking a nurse into releasing confidential patient data does not. Still, at this stage it was only on tape.
What I find hard to believe is that then, the radio station management, having reviewed the call, made the staggering decision to put it out over the airwaves. They are older and wiser heads, and no doubt had access to legal advice if they needed it too, and it is they, more than the novice presenters, who are to blame. They could have congratulated the presenters on their "scoop", but gently explained why they had gone too far, and deleted the tape and sent a private apology to the hospital. Instead, they unbelievably decided it was a fit piece to broadcast.
I have no time for morons who claim this was a prank call just like thousands of other prank calls. It wasn't. The "joke" in most prank calls is that at the end of the call, the truth is revealed, and the humour for the listener is in the reaction of the pranked person. Here, though, the pranked person was never considered. They never gave a moment's thought to her. She was bypassed as pure collateral damage. If they had thought for a minute what position they would put her in, and how mortified she would be that she had been taken in, and put a radio station through which was as a result broadcasting Kate's personal info around the world, maybe they would have taken a different decision.
Of course, it was not predictable that the receptionist would take her own life. It was just predictable that she would be utterly humiliated, mortified and extremely distressed. Not to mention the risk of being involved in data protection and employment consequences. And this is where the morons just don't get it. A "prank" is just that. It's an easy word to understand. So all you need to ask yourself before you choose your victim is, will the victim agree that this was just a prank, and see the funny side? If the answer is a plain "no", then it isn't a prank, but something else. It might have just about been, if when she was taken in, they had immediately disclosed who they really were, in typical prank-show style, and declined to be put through, although I don't see what would have been funny about it myself, but they chose to abandon the "prank" aspect and move on to the new target.
The people who took the decision to broadcast clearly have appalling judgment. I'm sure offences must have been committed and if so they must be prosecuted. They aren't fit to be in charge of a broadcast station and should resign or have their licence pulled.
Good post.
I read that this lady had only been in the country six years and would likely not have picked up on the nuances of accent or been aware that anyone would possibly make such a call so as to be sufficiently prepared to bat it away. To find out you have been so comprehensively duped and involved probably one of the best known and widely reported families in the world, not to mention all the potential career and family consequences being duped might have, must have been agony. I can't imagine how it would have been worth taking a life but then I am not the nurse. But I can imagine the burning humiliation and the shame and the knowing that for some all of it was a big fat hilarious joke. How awful for the woman.
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Bet Lynch wrote:... ... it has to be said the broadcasters did not kill the nurse as sadly it was her choice to take her own life.
You are the first that I've read who blames the nurse for being dead. It's an interesting take, or else it's the most crassly ignorant take on the state of mind of a suicide victim I've ever heard. "Her CHOICE"?? You believe this is what she would have CHOSEN for herself and her family? You miss the entire point, which is to the suicidal, there IS no choice, because in the state they find themselves in, death seems the only way out.
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Ferocious Aardvark wrote:You are the first that I've read who blames the nurse for being dead. It's an interesting take, or else it's the most crassly ignorant take on the state of mind of a suicide victim I've ever heard. "Her CHOICE"?? You believe this is what she would have CHOSEN for herself and her family? You miss the entire point, which is to the suicidal, there IS no choice, because in the state they find themselves in, death seems the only way out.
Your interpretation of my post is interesting, not sure how you turn the word choice into blame ? I am more than aware that a suicide victim feels the depths of despair and sadly feel there is no way out, however it does come down to choice, she could have taken the choice to seek help, sadly she choose not to do that. A lot of people do encounter terrible stress in their lives and often consider suicide however most choose not to take that option and do indeed choose to seek help and support. Also worth noting my post was aimed at the fact that the pranksters cannot be blamed for the sad loss of the nurse, they may have contributed to her feeling as she did but they did not kill her.
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Bet Lynch wrote:She could have been answerable to the Nursing Midwifery Council (NMC), which is the code of practice for nurses & midwifes, confidentiality is an important aspect for patients and a large part of the code covers this. The worse case scenario is that the nurse involved may have been charged by the council with risk of losing her pin number and struck off. This is a very sad state of affairs, I have no doubt the nurse felt devastated and possibly scared about facing possible disciplinary (I know I would have felt that way), more so with the call being broadcast for all to hear no doubt added humiliation to how she was feeling. This was a prank which went terribly wrong, although it has to be said the broadcasters did not kill the nurse as sadly it was her choice to take her own life. Heartbreak for all concerned including the broadcasters who I hope can eventually move on from this sad saga.
Just to reiterate that the woman who has died is not the person who revealed details of the patient's condition.
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Mintball wrote:Just to reiterate that the woman who has died is not the person who revealed details of the patient's condition.
True but one could argue that the fact she had put them through gave the second nurse no cause for concern as she probably thought her colleague had done the checks already.
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Anakin Skywalker wrote:True but one could argue that the fact she had put them through gave the second nurse no cause for concern as she probably thought her colleague had done the checks already.
Aye but the first nurse doing the receptionist duties twas a swarthy skinned immigrant, therefore possibly more susceptible to dupism? What was the English Rose second nurses excuse?
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WIZEB wrote:
Anakin Skywalker wrote:True but one could argue that the fact she had put them through gave the second nurse no cause for concern as she probably thought her colleague had done the checks already.
Aye but the first nurse doing the receptionist duties twas a swarthy skinned immigrant, therefore possibly more susceptible to dupism? What was the English Rose second nurses excuse?
What a mickey poor ignorant crass post that is.
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