If you haven't then I have read it for you so you don't have to bother and if anyone ever asks you what you thought of it just reply "Bag of shoite", the only thing it made me want to do is to go and find another book to read, anything, even a Jeffrey Archer would have done.
Totally agree, honestly could not see what the fuss was all about. Not a patch on Catch 22
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JerryChicken wrote:My own little tribute to a time that we don't always appreciate was so completely different to the times we live in today, a time when the population could be effectively controlled by government and their violent dispersal of street protest and a time when one millionaire used his position and influence to speak out and was hounded through the courts for three and a half years under the shadow of a 60 day deportation notice until finally the US Appeal Court, under a different administration to that which had started the process and by now aware of the change in public opinion, declared ” … the courts will not condone selective deportation based upon secret political grounds.”
Those were very interesting times to be a teenager...
Perhaps we are more controlled today than we ever were back then JC? This is an interesting piece on the current populi's sterility and submissiveness compared to the days of which you speak.
JerryChicken wrote:My own little tribute to a time that we don't always appreciate was so completely different to the times we live in today, a time when the population could be effectively controlled by government and their violent dispersal of street protest and a time when one millionaire used his position and influence to speak out and was hounded through the courts for three and a half years under the shadow of a 60 day deportation notice until finally the US Appeal Court, under a different administration to that which had started the process and by now aware of the change in public opinion, declared ” … the courts will not condone selective deportation based upon secret political grounds.”
Those were very interesting times to be a teenager...
Perhaps we are more controlled today than we ever were back then JC? This is an interesting piece on the current populi's sterility and submissiveness compared to the days of which you speak.
WIZEB wrote:Perhaps we are more controlled today than we ever were back then JC? This is an interesting piece on the current populi's sterility and submissiveness compared to the days of which you speak.
I don't know, maybe we are more inclined to accept a pigeon hole to sit in and be content, even in todays times we all still have far more easily accessible credit than we did in the 1960/70s and when you have the means then there are far more retailers falling over themselves to sell far more toys to you, maybe we're just more lazy these days, its difficult to motivate yourself to go support a movement when theres fifty channels of tv to watch, the internet to mess about on, x-box games to master, etc etc.
Where things have changed is when you watch that video of "Give Peace a Chance" and see how authority reacted with unrestrained and uncriticised violence against public protest, its not just the batons (and occasionally live ammunition) but the punches thrown by police when protestors have already been restrained - those images are American but they could easily have been in the UK - Blair Peach anyone ?
Compare to the most recent reactions to the police attempts to use kettling tactics to stop (in the main) peaceful protest where the police themselves can then be subject to enquiry to see if their tactics are lawful - their counterparts from the 60s and 70s would be horrified if they found themselves being questioned for the way that they arrested people, or even shoved someone in the back when moving them on.
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Like the way this thread has developed. Interesting conversation gents. I've been thinking a lot recently about what's happening and there's a lot of encouragement coming from the generation below me. We're still a long way from perfect but issues of equality decrease everyday (despite what the EDL stirmongers say) and people are starting to tap into alternative news sources to get more accurate and truthful information. Certainly over the past couple of years papers like The Guardian and Independent have had to up their game as online journalism and opinion starts to supersede them e.g. Salon, Democracy Now and The Atlantic offer serious opinion on the US and The Huff Post (still a corporate beast itself) is starting to make inroads over here in the truth market.
It's as exciting a time as it's ever been. Music may not be at the forefront like it was in the 60s but there's a greater mix of arts in its many forms taking up the mantle after a good decade of foundation building with things like Adbusters.
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JerryChicken wrote:I don't know, maybe we are more inclined to accept a pigeon hole to sit in and be content, even in todays times we all still have far more easily accessible credit than we did in the 1960/70s and when you have the means then there are far more retailers falling over themselves to sell far more toys to you, maybe we're just more lazy these days, its difficult to motivate yourself to go support a movement when theres fifty channels of tv to watch, the internet to mess about on, x-box games to master, etc etc.
Where things have changed is when you watch that video of "Give Peace a Chance" and see how authority reacted with unrestrained and uncriticised violence against public protest, its not just the batons (and occasionally live ammunition) but the punches thrown by police when protestors have already been restrained - those images are American but they could easily have been in the UK - Blair Peach anyone ?
Compare to the most recent reactions to the police attempts to use kettling tactics to stop (in the main) peaceful protest where the police themselves can then be subject to enquiry to see if their tactics are lawful - their counterparts from the 60s and 70s would be horrified if they found themselves being questioned for the way that they arrested people, or even shoved someone in the back when moving them on.
There is a bit on the footage of the Orgreave saga from the miners strike that they show quite often recently, a piece that annoys me every time I see it. A blondish lad is being led away, presumably arrested, by a copper who has him by the arm. He is 'coming quietly', when out of left field comes another copper, who must have been feeling left out of things who dives on the lad and pushes him face first into the gravel. I hope that he felt a rush of job satisfaction for what was blatantly assault. Nowadays he'd have been pilloried and quite rightly IMHO.
War does not determine who is right - only who is left.
There's no doubt that self expression is easier now than it ever has been thanks to technology and unrestricted access to both it and any information that you wish to read or participate in, Immediately.
You don't even need to leave the house, or your chair in order to register a protest, simply sign an online petition and when a relatively small number of like minded others have signed up then the government of the day HAVE to take regard to it - can you imagine what sort of online protest could have been organised in the 1950s when CND first started, can you imagine what efforts must have been needed to generate the interest that they did when they were largely denied access (initially) to a print and broadcast (such as it was) media, factor in a much smaller university population from which a lot of support was collected and you can see what a huge effort those marches really were.
Its the complete freedom and access to information and dis-information that has governments looking a bit scared at the moment, Lord Justice Leveson is starting to look like a bit of a control freak at the moment when speaking in Australia http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2012/dec/07/lord-justice-leveson-australia and while lots of us may have applauded him when he recommended legal control of the print media, are we now left wondering who the hell he thinks he is when he takes it a step further and demands legal control of social media - and how the hell does he expect it to work on a global scale ?
Lennon was a great campaigner, knew perfectly well that he was one of few people who could rely on as much publicity as he wanted just by picking up a phone, campaigned so voraciously against The Vietnam War that Nixon tried to deport him permanently, but he also supported a long running campaign for the Hanratty family to have justice, donated money to the Clyde Shipbuilders and supported campaigns to have personal marijuana possession downgraded from a Grade A offence - Yoko Ono is still a great campaigner for all sorts of issues but has a much easier job these days via her imaginepeace.com website.
There's no doubt that self expression is easier now than it ever has been thanks to technology and unrestricted access to both it and any information that you wish to read or participate in, Immediately.
You don't even need to leave the house, or your chair in order to register a protest, simply sign an online petition and when a relatively small number of like minded others have signed up then the government of the day HAVE to take regard to it - can you imagine what sort of online protest could have been organised in the 1950s when CND first started, can you imagine what efforts must have been needed to generate the interest that they did when they were largely denied access (initially) to a print and broadcast (such as it was) media, factor in a much smaller university population from which a lot of support was collected and you can see what a huge effort those marches really were.
Its the complete freedom and access to information and dis-information that has governments looking a bit scared at the moment, Lord Justice Leveson is starting to look like a bit of a control freak at the moment when speaking in Australia http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2012/dec/07/lord-justice-leveson-australia and while lots of us may have applauded him when he recommended legal control of the print media, are we now left wondering who the hell he thinks he is when he takes it a step further and demands legal control of social media - and how the hell does he expect it to work on a global scale ?
Lennon was a great campaigner, knew perfectly well that he was one of few people who could rely on as much publicity as he wanted just by picking up a phone, campaigned so voraciously against The Vietnam War that Nixon tried to deport him permanently, but he also supported a long running campaign for the Hanratty family to have justice, donated money to the Clyde Shipbuilders and supported campaigns to have personal marijuana possession downgraded from a Grade A offence - Yoko Ono is still a great campaigner for all sorts of issues but has a much easier job these days via her imaginepeace.com website.
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If you go to http://www.imaginepeace.com you can download that poster as desktop wallpaper, I'm doing a training session tomorrow at our head office with a guy who used to be in the Paras and another who was in one of HM's Tank Regiments so I've put that poster as the desktop.
Just to kick off the session nicely of course
WIZEB wrote:
If you go to http://www.imaginepeace.com you can download that poster as desktop wallpaper, I'm doing a training session tomorrow at our head office with a guy who used to be in the Paras and another who was in one of HM's Tank Regiments so I've put that poster as the desktop.
Just to kick off the session nicely of course
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