Post subject: Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:01 pm
McClennan
International Chairman
Joined: Dec 22 2001 Posts: 27757 Location: In rocket surgery
Roddy B wrote:It really isn't hard to grasp. I remember when we played Birmingham a few years back, David Ngog won us a penalty by 'diving'. He was running in the box, a defender was coming across, the defender slid and clearly got in Ngog's way, Ngog got to the ball, touched it forward then 'dove' over as though there was contact. There wasn't contact, but he wasn't getting to the ball because he would have been clattered by Carsley (I think it was Carsley), if Ngog planted his foot there was a good chance Carsley's outstretched boot would have gone right through it. It looked awful on Ngog's part, he wasn't touched but acted like he did, but if he didn't avoid the contact he would have been fouled and possibly injured. The bad moment in it all was Carsley's challenge which was rightly penalised, people seem to forget that.
I wasn't actually talking about Bale's situation precisely when saying contact isn't always required, but I can see why some players go down without contact.
I don't think most people would argue with that. The goalie commits himself into possibly making a foul so that's his Russian roulette. What we appear to be talking about is when a player is fabricating something out of nothing. It's deceitful and I'm not so naive as to say that we can outlaw it because we can't. However, it does start with the players and the players will only adapt their own behaviour when they are pressured into changing. That pressure comes from other players, managers, FIFA and the fans. If teams booed their own players when they do it, I'm pretty sure it'd stop tomorrow, but they don't. So it continues. When you get players of the quality of Steven Gerrard realising it's a valid tactical choice then you know you've got a problem.
Post subject: Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 6:30 pm
lefty goldblatt
Player Coach
Joined: Feb 05 2010 Posts: 8012 Location: South Stand.....bored
So, Wills and Kate have opened England's new training facility, today. It's a good job a certain pair of central defenders weren't present, with their sexual proclivities, or Kate would've needed more hands, than an octopus has tentacles. However, was Rooney in the background, to try and balance the sex-pest equilibrium? Mind you, with Rooney's reputation, he'd be more likely to ask Kate for her mother-in-law's phone number.
Post subject: Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:27 pm
Lord God Jose Mourinho
Player Coach
Joined: Jan 10 2009 Posts: 4697
Rogers does have some points.
The problem is that after he spends the week talking about Suarez not getting the decisions he merits, Suarez then throws himself down to the ground in a ridiculous manner to try and get a pen.
Suarez has been backed to the hilt by two LFC managers. And then he's gone and screwed them over straight away by creating more stupid stories. Dalglish stood up for him totally over the Evra incident. Then Suarez goes and refuses to shake Evra's hand when it was offered to him. Rogers complains bitterly that Suarez doesn't get the decisions, Suarez is then caught in a ridiculous tumble.
Rogers just needs to STFU over this right now because it's a battle he just can't win.
Has Welbeck got significantly less negative reaction to dives that have lead to pens? IMO yes, definitely. But it's not something you can really argue about this week when you've just been busted for it.
Post subject: Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition
Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 4:24 am
sanjunien
Player Coach
Joined: Mar 28 2010 Posts: 5506 Location: Albi, France
Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:Paul Lambert's doing great at Villa as well, isn't he?
like so many managers since the 60s Lambert shouldn't have left Norwich - AV isn't promotion or an advancement in his career path as it stands but merely a better paycheck
speaking of past Canaries bosses, don't know if the sad passing of John Bond has been announced on this forum - he was a fair footballer in his own right at WHU alongside some good players in the 60s and his appointment at Carrow Road following the departure of Ron Saunders (to AV ?) was a great time to be in East Anglia - the boys played some nice football, real 'poop or bust' stuff which entertained the fans with the likes of Ted McDougall & Phil Boyer, Paddon, Osgood, Channon and other legends - great times when football was fun
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