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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:33 pm 
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What a pile of c**p.


What a pile of c**p.

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Dally wrote:What a pile of c**p.

Considered analysis as ever.






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John_D wrote:Considered analysis as ever.


"People are poor because they are loving animals. Look at them; just look at them."

Is the author implicitly suggesting that people are loving animals because they are poor? Isn't that in effect the political narrative that has dragged this society into the gutter?

Personally, I believe that people can be poor and decent and should always strive to be the latter with no excuses made for those who choose not to be.


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John_D wrote:Considered analysis as ever.



Do you know what, I think I agree with him. The thing about Hillsborough as far as I can see is that it could have been any football club this happened to, from all reports the game was in a right state back then and there had been several other close shaves that could have easily turned out to be the same tragedy as Hillsborough. I think the Police and the authorities messed up obviously in a terrible way and they disgustingly tried to cover their actions with the easy scapegoat of drunken yobish hooligans, which the game was littered with at that time. Personally I don't think it has anything to do with anti Scouse or anti Liverpudlian.

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christopher wrote:But there are a lot of 'working class' people that held the same view about Liverpool as a city, and also the same about the Liverpool fans at hillsborough.


The reputation of football fans generally was very low at the time, many people were prepared to believe the worst. But I always found The Sun's accusations too much of a stretch to believe. I really didnt think that fans would act that way to fans of their own club.

I dont think think any anti Liverpool sentiments were fueled by a dislike of scousers as such. But Hillsborough happened just 4 years after Hysel and I do think that tainted peoples reactions. There seemed to be quite a widespead feeling, which I shared, that Liverpool fans had refused to accept responsibility for Hysel, that it was everyone else's fault but theirs. When Hillsborough happened many people were reluctant to accept that Liverpool fans might be largely blameless. It was perceived as Hysel Mark II. The cover up was easier to achieve because of what happened 4 year earlier.

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christopher wrote: Personally I don't think it has anything to do with anti Scouse or anti Liverpudlian.

Could have been any of us.






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gulfcoast_highwayman wrote: ... It's the worst kind of bar room bo**ocks dressed up in flowery writing.


I have stored this phrase away in what's left of my memory.
I shall be giving it an airing from time to time as it sums up most of what Boris spouts.






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Liverpool doesn't have exclusivity for this tw@ts opinionation. :twisted:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7453035.stm

Dally will love this.
Liverpool doesn't have exclusivity for this tw@ts opinionation. :twisted:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7453035.stm

Dally will love this.

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Cibaman wrote:The reputation of football fans generally was very low at the time, many people were prepared to believe the worst. But I always found The Sun's accusations too much of a stretch to believe. I really didnt think that fans would act that way to fans of their own club.

I dont think think any anti Liverpool sentiments were fueled by a dislike of scousers as such. But Hillsborough happened just 4 years after Hysel and I do think that tainted peoples reactions. There seemed to be quite a widespead feeling, which I shared, that Liverpool fans had refused to accept responsibility for Hysel, that it was everyone else's fault but theirs. When Hillsborough happened many people were reluctant to accept that Liverpool fans might be largely blameless. It was perceived as Hysel Mark II. The cover up was easier to achieve because of what happened 4 year earlier.


Great post....At that time, there was nothing perceived as lower than a football fan - After her victory over the miners, Thatcher had made it her goal to kill the sport, which would have been another hammer blow to the working classes of the country, who Thatcher was determined to punish for their opposition to her leadership of the country.

Thatcher had actually banned English clubs from Europe in '85, immediately after Heysel, before UEFA had even had chance to think about it, and I know it sounds harsh, but Hillsborough must have been golddust to Thatcher, as it gave her another excuse to smear football fans.

I really hope that any future inquest investigates Thatcher's role in this whole thing....It would not shock me if government's fingerprints were involved in this - Certainly Thatcher's favourite propoganda machine, the Sun, was immersed in this cover-up, so it figures that the Government were not far away during the discussions that thought up such an awful plot to blacken a cities population, and a sport's followers.






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Deary me. The extrapolations and flights of fancy people come up with!

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