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 Post subject: Religion in public life - criminal?
PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 8:17 pm 
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This thread will not go the way of previous discussions. The validity or truth of certain world views should not be debated here. This is about religious freedom. I pray the Mods agree with this.

What role should religion play in public life?

http://www.christian.org.uk/news/christ ... ic-square/

Should Christians be allowed to espouse their views in a public forum? Should expression of biblical views be criminalised?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... y-sin.html
This thread will not go the way of previous discussions. The validity or truth of certain world views should not be debated here. This is about religious freedom. I pray the Mods agree with this.

What role should religion play in public life?

http://www.christian.org.uk/news/christ ... ic-square/

Should Christians be allowed to espouse their views in a public forum? Should expression of biblical views be criminalised?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... y-sin.html

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 Post subject: Re: Religion in public life - criminal?
PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 8:43 pm 
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Whether it does or not is up to you and you alone, if you want to debate the topic of whether or not you should be allowed to express your religious views then the discussion is going to be a very short one, the answer is Yes.

The answer is also Yes to everyone else who wishes to express their religious views too - what you have to do is to accept that you, and everyone else, are not necessarily correct in your view, but its your view none the less.

To answer your question on whether religion should play a part in public life I would answer No, and if I asked you whether or not a person with a religious view that you opposed should be allowed to maintain a position in public life where his/her religion affected their public decisions, then you would probably agree with me.






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 Post subject: Re: Religion in public life - criminal?
PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 10:15 pm 
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kirkstaller wrote:Should Christians be allowed to espouse their views in a public forum?


Of course all religions should be allowed to air their views, but those views should not be above criticism nor be above the law.

kirkstaller wrote:Should expression of biblical views be criminalised?


You mean the same way that atheist views were constantly harangued and called heretics?

See if you want views to be heard you should do some listening yourself.






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 Post subject: Re: Religion in public life - criminal?
PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:41 pm 
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You can't debate with bigots.






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The Rugby Football League are in the process of reviewing the video that you are referring to. We do not condone behaviour of this nature and have contacted the player’s employer, Hull F.C., who have confirmed that they are dealing with the incident under their club rules.
 
 
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 Post subject: Re: Religion in public life - criminal?
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:32 am 
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Absolutely no way whatsoever that religion should have any sort of platform/influence in government or education. There should be complete separation of church and state - no exceptions. Aside from that, I don't give a toss what they do.






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 Post subject: Re: Religion in public life - criminal?
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:37 am 
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religion should have no influence above any other source of influence, on anything, and should be open to as much criticism and cross examination as any opinion. But that doesn't happen, a lot of the time, as the religious discrimination card gets played as soon as 'reliable sources' is mentioned.






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 Post subject: Re: Religion in public life - criminal?
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:39 am 
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Rock God X wrote:Absolutely no way whatsoever that religion should have any sort of platform/influence in government or education. There should be complete separation of church and state - no exceptions. Aside from that, I don't give a toss what they do.


I do, they have to abide by the same rules as the rest of us.






Tarquin Fuego wrote: I love Jamie and have done since he was 10 years old.


The Reason wrote:Hi Andy

The Rugby Football League are in the process of reviewing the video that you are referring to. We do not condone behaviour of this nature and have contacted the player’s employer, Hull F.C., who have confirmed that they are dealing with the incident under their club rules.
 
 
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:11 am 
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Off to church kirkstaller?

Not had enough martyrdom this week?

People can say what they like, but if you climb up a ladder and start shouting out hateful bigoted mumbo jumbo thinking that you're justified to do that because Barry Sandals has esoterically granted you a licence for such activities from two thousand years ago, don't be surprised if you are quite correctly arrested.






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 Post subject: Re: Religion in public life - criminal?
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:34 am 
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Sandra The Terrorist wrote:Off to church kirkstaller?

Not had enough martyrdom this week?

People can say what they like, but if you climb up a ladder and start shouting out hateful bigoted mumbo jumbo thinking that you're justified to do that because Barry Sandals has esoterically granted you a licence for such activities from two thousand years ago, don't be surprised if you are quite correctly arrested.


Barry Sandals :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Religion in public life - criminal?
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:02 am 
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Sheldon wrote:
Rock God X wrote:Absolutely no way whatsoever that religion should have any sort of platform/influence in government or education. There should be complete separation of church and state - no exceptions. Aside from that, I don't give a toss what they do.


I do, they have to abide by the same rules as the rest of us.

That was covered in my first statement. No influence in matters of the state includes no exemptions from following rules/laws the rest of us have to follow.

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