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ROBINSON wrote:Why? Do you not think you should work hard, or something?
I feel I already work hard enough thanks.
I suppose these Tory boys expect us all to work 14 hour shifts in sweat shops for a pittance like workers in the Far East and India.
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Big Graeme wrote:If I read this right it was aimed at bosses who are whinging at the government, this time.
This lot really know how to get people on-side don't they?
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Big Graeme wrote:I know but I hate to agree with Mad Nad on anything...
Probably working on the principle that: "the workers aren't listening anymore, so we'll try shouting at the gaffers and see if they can help us out 'cos we aint got a fooking scooby"
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Big Graeme wrote:If I read this right it was aimed at bosses who are whinging at the government, this time.
Yes and William Hague has a point.
Most of these private sector bosses have been campaigning to reduce the size of government and for government to do less, because that's when as they say the private sector will fill the gap and be able to expand due to the reduction of the state. And this is what the Tories in government are trying to give them.
So it is then rich when those bosses turn round to government and say "government should be doing more". They are delivering what those private sector bosses wanted - limited government.
There comes a point when you have to stop whinging and start actually delivering that private sector growth. If you look at page 6 of the most recent ONS release: http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_263578.pdf the only sector that has actually grown in every quarter (admittedly only small) of the last year is government, all the private sectors have been having periods of contraction.
Whether you agree with the ideology or not, the private sector bosses argue for austerity on the grounds that it will help lead to 'private sector led growth', which is what the Conservative party also think, they have got a Conservative party elected into government and they are doing their bit to put that ideology forwards.....so now the private sector bosses have to step up to the plate and deliver it.
If they don't, then the argument for austerity will be dead and there will be a return to a Labour government and the private sector bosses can whinge and whinge all they like to Ed Balls and his chums.
Big Graeme wrote:If I read this right it was aimed at bosses who are whinging at the government, this time.
Yes and William Hague has a point.
Most of these private sector bosses have been campaigning to reduce the size of government and for government to do less, because that's when as they say the private sector will fill the gap and be able to expand due to the reduction of the state. And this is what the Tories in government are trying to give them.
So it is then rich when those bosses turn round to government and say "government should be doing more". They are delivering what those private sector bosses wanted - limited government.
There comes a point when you have to stop whinging and start actually delivering that private sector growth. If you look at page 6 of the most recent ONS release: http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_263578.pdf the only sector that has actually grown in every quarter (admittedly only small) of the last year is government, all the private sectors have been having periods of contraction.
Whether you agree with the ideology or not, the private sector bosses argue for austerity on the grounds that it will help lead to 'private sector led growth', which is what the Conservative party also think, they have got a Conservative party elected into government and they are doing their bit to put that ideology forwards.....so now the private sector bosses have to step up to the plate and deliver it.
If they don't, then the argument for austerity will be dead and there will be a return to a Labour government and the private sector bosses can whinge and whinge all they like to Ed Balls and his chums.
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Is anyone else starting to think that Cameron may not see out the full term of this parlament? IIRC the Tory rank and file forced Thatcher out and she wasn't forcing liberal ideals down their gullets due to the other party in the coalition. I can only see the annoyed voices from the back getting louder and louder.
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Anakin Skywalker wrote:Is anyone else starting to think that Cameron may not see out the full term of this parlament? IIRC the Tory rank and file forced Thatcher out and she wasn't forcing liberal ideals down their gullets due to the other party in the coalition. I can only see the annoyed voices from the back getting louder and louder.
The one thing that will stop them is the voters don't trust them now, they will trust them even less with a jerk to the right. Turkeys won't vote for Christmas and those MP's doing the whinging will keep quiet, see out their term and collect the gold plated handout at the end of it, not to mention the handsome pension for many.
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