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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 5:35 pm 
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M@islebugs wrote:I don't think anyone believes the assurances Adey. If half of what Coulby said is true then God knows what they're going to find.


I'm of the opinion that Chris Caisley's mind is already made re: the future of the club.

He's already seen the clubs books.

I won't lie in that the current situation looks bleak to me though as my Grandfather and Father did in the years gone by, I will support whatever outcome if professional Rugby League can be maintained in Bradford.

That includes Chris Caisley's strategic review.

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 6:18 pm 
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Surely PH wouldn't have taken the pledge money if he didn't think we could avoid admin.

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 6:20 pm 
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M@islebugs wrote:I don't think anyone believes the assurances Adey. If half of what Coulby said is true then God knows what they're going to find.


If what Coulby said was true, and the WHOLE truth and not just selective extracts of the truth, then - as well as being quite extraordinary, it goes some way to explaining why the black hole had to be significantly larger than we were told. It HAD to be, because when you do the maths (as I did) we should have been left with ample from the sale of the lease to clear down any non-day to day liabilities. The fact that we clearly were NOT HAS to mean there were more historic liabilities than we had been told about, IMO. I've said that in private almost from the start, as others will attest.

And I have seen references to a couple of clear candidates in previous posts on this forum.

BUT, all that said, to me everything - including specific responses from the BoD - pointed towards the pledge £1/2m being enough to clear down those liabilities, which was the previous BoD's line and which was why I supported the pledge as being the only game in town. And, for me most importantly of all, in discussions I raised the matter of trading whilst insolvent, and I felt it was clear Hood was fully aware of the consequences of that, and had been advised accordingly.

IF they called in the pledges recklessly, without reasonable expectation that by doing so then insolvency should be avoided, then I believe the BoD Could be personally liable for losses people incurred as a result. Which is why I suspect that, on balance of probabilities, there are no big crystalised liabilities still waiting to be discovered. But I can only form a view based on information and explanations made available, and on the assumption that the BoD was at least moderately competent.

I don't think I'm betraying any great secrets by saying that I was told, by highest-placed sources on more than one occasion, that CC's intervention - together with those of Sutcliffe and Preston and some other public statements - made things very much more difficult for the BoD in trying to raise funds. Indeed, Hood as good as said that in public by confirming that new investors were unlikely to want to complete deals with guys whom the owners of the business were in the course of seeking to remove.

My own opinion, FWIW, was and remains that that could have been the intent, and it is also my opinion that the intervention probably contributed to the delay in confirming that the pledge would be called in. But we'll likely never know for sure one way or the other, and I stress I do and can only speculate. I hope that, on the former at least, I am wrong. And we'll almost certainly never know now whether, left to their own devices, the BoD would have pulled it off, so the whole issue has now become hypothetical anyway.

But if Hood & Co were to have called the pledges in if there were still substantial financial skeletons in the closet that called into question the survival of the company, then IMO they would have been reckless crazy fools. And, whatever folk may think of Hood, I really can't see Ryan being party to anything like that, risking major personal liability?

For those reasons, whilst I am quite sure we were never told the whole truth, equally I find it very hard to believe we were told a pack of lies.

But I've got to the stage that little in this whole sad, sorry saga would surprise me any more.

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 6:32 pm 
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MicktheGled wrote:Maybe a week on Friday a new era could start? ;-)


I think I know what you are referring to Mick, but do they? :)

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Adeybull wrote:I think I know what you are referring to Mick, but do they? :)


I want it all to be a pleasant surprise.

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What's happening a week on Fri?

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We're playing Salford and...


[spoiler alert - look away now if you don't want to know]



We are actually going to beat them for once!

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MicktheGled wrote:I want it all to be a pleasant surprise.


I still don't think that cerise feather boa and shocking pink tutu was the best choice of attire, mind... :WHISTLE:

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 7:47 pm 
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Well, if it turns out that we have a shedload of debt the existence of which was effectively denied then I would think that there would be every chance of a large group of disgruntled contributors consulting with lawyers and seeking their money back.

I can't think that we could possibly have been deliberately misled to THAT sort of extent (Adey has also already mentioned the "trading whilst insolvent" issue and possible ramifications) so I am sort of excluding this. But yes, it is a case where literally nothing would surprise you any more.






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 Post subject: Re: Going, Going, Gone.
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Adeybull wrote:I still don't think that cerise feather boa and shocking pink tutu was the best choice of attire, mind... :WHISTLE:


:lol: :lol:

I think that's a chip over the top. Maybe I should just go for the One?

The all in one suit :wink:

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