Joined: Mar 11 2007 Posts: 5659 Location: Next to Ramsgate Sands c.1850 in West Hull
Edith wrote:Disturbing for Hull, 2 Leeds players left the field injured early on yet they (Leeds) still had enough to post a score like that? Frightful.
They aren't a strong team. I watched even Rovers u18s muller them last week. They were poor, and their attitude seemed lax. Our u18s do buck the trend as all our other acadamy sides are doing ok. When's the Rovers u18s/Wigan game?
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Joined: Sep 18 2005 Posts: 8742 Location: 2017 City of Culture
His Bobness wrote:Why do people have to select one comment and then quote it out of context?
The whole theme of the interview is how positive Sandercock and Rovers are about the game despite the odds being overwhelmingly against them. The bookies have Wigan 12 to 1....ON to win this game. In league weekly there were experts tipping Wigan even with a 30 point start to Rovers.
I'm afraid the reason for this is that Wigan really do have better players than us. Have a look at the England elite & Exiles squads and you'll see that Sandercock is quite correct in his observations.
Everyone knows this so presumably the problem for some is that they just don't like to hear it.
Sandercock points out how he thinks we can win the game and what we need to do to have a chance. He also uses the 'no one gives us a chance' routine to take the pressure off and to maybe make the players determined to prove everyone wrong. Worth a try but we'll still need Wigan to be well below their best even to get close. That's because...well they do in fact have a team full of internationals and we don't.
Oh come off it Bob, I don't selectively quote on normal occasions, but he has used the "internationals" line on at least half a dozen occasions now, it's becoming tiresome. If he didn't want to face international opposition every week he should have applied for the Wath Brow Hornets coaching job.
Joined: Jun 01 2007 Posts: 12672 Location: Leicestershire.
Since the big drive ahead of 2008, recruitment has been, with hindsight, well...
for 2009: Fozzard (epitomy of a grizzled veteran, did okay-ish for a year), Colbon (good steady first season, not so good thereafter), Scott Wheeldon (decent squad player, if a bit limited), Ryan Esders (1 game?). 3 ultimately left for London, none remain at Rovers.
for 2010: Matt Cook (another for whom Rovers was a staging post on the way down to London), Ratu (yeah, I'd forgotten about him too), Josh Hodgson (showing promise, still at the club!!!), Joel Clinton (Actually quite good in 2010, has been generally poor value since)
for 2011: Willie Mason (we're all familiar with that tale of woe), Craig Hall (not as erratic as some make out, but not quite as talented (or at least 'effective') as others claim either, IMO), Blake Green (pretty good - huzzah!).
So that is one good stand-off, a decent, versatile young hooker-cum-backrower, a middling utility back and a highly paid prop who nobody expects to be retained.
Now to be fair, these were meant to be finishing touches type signings to the squad built for 2008, and we no doubt had to pay slightly over the odds back then, leaving less room for maneuvre. And who else was available on a free? Also it ignores the kids that are finally coming through our own system. But it's true that CS inherited a team in need of rejuvenating - too much continuity was a common complaint last season. Plus it must be daunting going into games against the top teams, as despite the cap, the top players invariably join the top teams (which is why Hull getting G. Ellis was so impressive). That said, CS could do to realise that there is such a thing as too much honesty and that despite the odd mad rant, we can manage our own expectations. Actually, I think 11 points is close to satisfactory all things considered and with one or two caveats, mostly to do with (not) tackling.
It's a bit early to judge this season's signings, but so far Paea is the only one that stands out for me, and, being honest, that might be for the type of player he is as much as for his quality.
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Joined: Sep 18 2005 Posts: 8742 Location: 2017 City of Culture
Mild Rover wrote:Since the big drive ahead of 2008, recruitment has been, with hindsight, well...
for 2009: Fozzard (epitomy of a grizzled veteran, did okay-ish for a year), Colbon (good steady first season, not so good thereafter), Scott Wheeldon (decent squad player, if a bit limited), Ryan Esders (1 game?). 3 ultimately left for London, none remain at Rovers.
for 2010: Matt Cook (another for whom Rovers was a staging post on the way down to London), Ratu (yeah, I'd forgotten about him too), Josh Hodgson (showing promise, still at the club!!!), Joel Clinton (Actually quite good in 2010, has been generally poor value since)
for 2011: Willie Mason (we're all familiar with that tale of woe), Craig Hall (not as erratic as some make out, but not quite as talented (or at least 'effective') as others claim either, IMO), Blake Green (pretty good - huzzah!).
So that is one good stand-off, a decent, versatile young hooker-cum-backrower, a middling utility back and a highly paid prop who nobody expects to be retained.
Now to be fair, these were meant to be finishing touches type signings to the squad built for 2008, and we no doubt had to pay slightly over the odds back then, leaving less room for maneuvre. And who else was available on a free? Also it ignores the kids that are finally coming through our own system. But it's true that CS inherited a team in need of rejuvenating - too much continuity was a common complaint last season. Plus it must be daunting going into games against the top teams, as despite the cap, the top players invariably join the top teams (which is why Hull getting G. Ellis was so impressive). That said, CS could do to realise that there is such a thing as too much honesty and that despite the odd mad rant, we can manage our own expectations. Actually, I think 11 points is close to satisfactory all things considered and with one or two caveats, mostly to do with (not) tackling.
It's a bit early to judge this season's signings, but so far Paea is the only one that stands out for me, and, being honest, that might be for the type of player he is as much as for his quality.
Interesting background info, but come on mods, this is surely thread drift?
Joined: Jun 01 2007 Posts: 12672 Location: Leicestershire.
My point, put bluntly, is; is he wrong or is he just wrong to keep going on about it?
He could at least wrap it prettily in hope for the future. 'We're a couple of years behind the top teams', or something along those lines is how Gentle sold it after they got walloped, combining realism with an implied promise of jam to come.
Or maybe unvarnished honesty should be refeshing in an age of spin and soapy media-management. It's not improved by repetition, either way.
'Thus I am tormented by my curiosity and humbled by my ignorance.' from History of an Old Bramin, The New York Mirror (A Weekly Journal Devoted to Literature and the Fine Arts), February 16th 1833.
Joined: Jan 15 2007 Posts: 11924 Location: Secret Hill Top Lair. V.2
He's got an annoying voice.
And he likes Hawaian pizzas.
Both very bad things.
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