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 Post subject: Re: Public emotion
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:20 pm 
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sally cinnamon wrote:Your should be ashamed of yourself with these disgraceful views, those soldiers are dying to allow you the right to free speech, if you love Saddam so much why not move to Iran and live with the Taliban.


That's a funny post. You need to get a grip.






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 Post subject: Re: Public emotion
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:26 pm 
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sally cinnamon wrote:Your should be ashamed of yourself with these disgraceful views, those soldiers are dying to allow you the right to free speech, if you love Saddam so much why not move to Iran and live with the Taliban.


That's a funny post. You need to get a grip.

How hard can it be?

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 Post subject: Re: Public emotion
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:30 pm 
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Mintball wrote:
Is it bread and circuses, manufactured by – someone? – to distract us?



That gets my vote!

Also add to that list the Royal Wedding, people having street parties, bank holidays and suchlike celebrating the fact that Wiliam and Kate had got married whilst we're in the worst recession since WW2 and we've 2.6million unemployed.






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 Post subject: Re: Public emotion
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Mintball wrote:
Is it bread and circuses, manufactured by – someone? – to distract us?



That gets my vote!

Also add to that list the Royal Wedding, people having street parties, bank holidays and suchlike celebrating the fact that Wiliam and Kate had got married whilst we're in the worst recession since WW2 and we've 2.6million unemployed.


I suppose you will be turning down the offer of some extra time off during the Jubilee then? :)

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 Post subject: Re: Public emotion
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The only recent one which I can relate to is the sinking of the Costa Concordia. I work on a cruise ship and I have worked on one that listed 6 degrees in the middle of the Atlantic a couple of years ago. At the time I thought it was pretty mental and crap was all over the place - people falling over screaming etc, but not once did I feel I was in any specific danger because I knew the guys on the bridge and I just thought we'd be fine. After the Costa incident, which obviously listed close to 45 degrees I just cannot imagine how people coped - you literally put all your trust in the Captain and all of his officers and for that to happen is unbelievable.

..but just to add - I didn't go in the mess and cry my eyes out. I just read the news report a few times and shook my head in disbelief.






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 Post subject: Re: Public emotion
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The Video Ref wrote:I suppose you will be turning down the offer of some extra time off during the Jubilee then? :)


I'm self employed so won't be getting paid anyway.






Current thoughts - Mago out or get running up them plantations, get fit or get rid.
Maybe a back up halfback, someone with a bit of experience on a short term deal.
Big tall strong running second rower, like a McMeekin or Sironen type back rower.

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 Post subject: Re: Public emotion
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I didn't cry, but felt very moved after the deaths of Mike Gegory, Terry Newon, Adam Watene, and Leon Walker because they were representing a sport I feel passionate about.
In the same way I feel a great sense of pride when I hear of Steve Prescott's determination.
I never met any of these, but saw most on the field. I can understand the reaction of thoe who are as passionate about football/royalty/music.

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RooRoo wrote:I didn't cry when Diana died. In fact, the reaction of the mourners there made me (perhaps inappropriately) laugh.

I did, however, cry when I watched the Twin Towers come down. I didn't know anyone in them and have never been to New York, but I cried.

A few times actually.


I went to work on the Saturday to avoid the funeral, along with many others. No radios or TV's were allowed.

When the twin towers went down I was at work and TBH the reaction was a stunned silence, we all packed up and went home.

I couldn't get bothered about Diana, she was reviled by many before her death and then practically elevated to sainthood by the same people after she popped her clogs.

The people who died in 9/11 or 7/7, the victims of disasters I do feel emotion for.






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The point of the discussion isn't whether certain things make us feel sad or not, it's why some people feel the need to put on hugely dramatic displays of emotion in public.






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Mintball wrote:Nobody's obsessed with, say, RL? Don't forget that, when Terry Newton died, it became verboten to discuss anything bad he'd done in his career – and that's actually an entirely relevant point within he context of this thread.

I doubt it very much. It was mostly a social media response and then was reported on by the mainstream media. I didn't see it being used to suddenly pretend that all football fans were some sort of angels.

Understandable.

I'd agree with this.

And support for monarchism as a whole is probably less, which rather ruins your point, I'm afraid.


There maybe less support for it with those who could take it or leave it but I think those who do support it are as fervent as ever if not more so and the whole jubilee thing and the recent Royal marriage will be seen by the monarchists as some sort of rehabilitation of the brand.

The Terry Newton thing is an interesting point. I was never a great fan of his as a Wigan player. I always felt he would do something daft that would cost us an important game but that view was not popular long before he died. He was a player who wore his heart on his sleeve and that type of player always gets many fans on side. I used to regularly make my views known that I felt he was a bit of a liability and this was usually jumped on by my fellow Wigan fans. So I am not entirely convinced that attitudes after his death were that far removed from what they were when he was a Wigan player. He was always on a pedestal for some. Had he been an anonymous player with no reputation and yet it was then verboten to discuss anything he had done in his career after he died, then I think you may have had a point there.

As to Muamba I don't see that it matters if it was a social media response or not in terms of any motives (good or not) for the responses to his heart attack. In fact all the various different types of social media we have these days such as Twitter and Facebook make it far easier for bandwagon's to roll. The fact there have been public displays of support for the player in grounds across Europe probably could not have happened without the social media aspect and while I am sure many fans were genuine I can't help thinking there will have been at least some "lets show everyone how nice football is" behind some of it and a certain amount of self congratulation at the reactions as well.






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